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Quasi apologies for things that they weren't responsible for are very popular with Western politicians. It's an easy way for them to feel virtuous.

Does the man not realise that whilst slavery goes back to biblical times, it was the British who banned the trade. 25th March 2007 is the 200th anniversary of the Act. Emancipation followed.

Of course, the West is making vigorous representations about the common treatment by Saudis of their maids as slaves:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012947.php

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=61865&d=10&m=4&y=2005

Oh wait, no, we don't mention that, and actually are busy apologising for daring to suggest that such slavery was wrong, and the King of Saudi Arabia is 'aggressively questioning' why action was taken against this.

http://ummahnewslinks.com/2006/11/21/john-suthers-returns-from-saudi-arabia.aspx

Unfortunately gestures like this, plus Labour's foolish Human Rights Act, which makes a joke of real human rights problems in the world, undermine the massive abuses taking place in certain countries and cultures. Of course, political correctness forfends any criticism of this, as obviously to criticise such evil behaviour would be racist in the eyes of the left.

Did anyone hear the hapless Lammy, coincidentally my MP, this morning on the Today programme?

I would like to officially apologise for the extinction of the dodo.

I thought it woz rats that were responsible for the Black Death, not Wasps? But I'd like you to apologize for the nests your relatives created in my previous house 25 years ago, please.

To everyone who has suffered incompetence, hypocrisy, corruption, heavy-handedness and personal tragedy over the last 9 years I'd like to apologise for Tony Blair. No, no, it really is mainly my fault.

Unlike the left, which believes that slavery is bad because it is racist, the real evil in slavery is the complete lack of freedom suffered by each individual.

Given that Tony Blair is of the opinion that freedom is a good thing (else he would not be apologising) could he do us the courtesy of giving up his crusade against our own freedoms.

End to trial by Jury, end of the right to silence, detainment without trial, DNA databases, the childrens' database, 25% of the world's CCTV, Restrictions on free speech (religious hatred), overruling of Parliament and the latest bugging us on the street.

Tony if you think that setting the slaves free was the right thing to do, then do the same for us.

Have you got a rather special problem with David Lammy, Justin?

He is Justin's MP which gives him a better insight than most of us into why he is spectacularly incompetent.

Are you implying that Justin is racist? If so then say it.

I object to the current political correctness that dictates we can't say that he is a useless idiot just because he is black. Go away and troll somewhere else.

The slave trade was not simply about white Europeans exploiting black Africans. There were a number of raids on England right up until the 19th century which saw white Englishmen and women captured and sold into slavery by those of other nationalities and colours - but of course mentioning that ruins the whole story really...

There were a number of raids on England right up until the 19th century which saw white Englishmen and women captured and sold into slavery by those of other nationalities and colours

Indeed, there were large numbers of raids on the English, Irish and European coasts by Islamic slavers over a period of several centuries and these events are well documented. A good introduction is to found in Giles Milton's account of the life of Thomas Pellow:

" rel="nofollow">"White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and Islam's One Million White Slaves"

Extracts:

“By the end of the dreadful summer of 1625, the mayor of Plymouth reckoned that 1,000 skiffs had been destroyed, and a similar number of villagers carried off into slavery”], southern Ireland [p.16, “In 1631 […] 200 Islamic soldiers […] sailed to the village of Baltimore, storming ashore with swords drawn and catching the villagers totally by surprise. [They] carried off 237 men, women, and children and took them to Algiers […] The French padre Pierre Dan was in the city (Algiers) at the time […] He witnessed the sale of the captives in the slave auction. ‘It was a pitiful sight to see them exposed in the market […] Women were separated from their husbands and the children from their fathers […] on one side a husband was sold; on the other his wife; and her daughter was torn from her arms without the hope that they’d ever see each other again’.”],

I hope that France will apologise for invading us in 1066.

I'd like to apologise for us liberating them in 1944/5.

Comparing the average incomes of Black Americans, and Black British people from the West Indies, with the average incomes of Black Africans, suggests that the former should be rather relieved that their ancestors were sold into slavery.

Indeed. Mr. Fear should take a trip to some poorer countries, and would quickly learn that those living in the West, despite their higher nominal incomes, seem to laugh a lot less, and generally be more miserable than those living in many poor countries.

So it's difficult to see that the average Black person in USA say, is happier than the average Black person in Africa.

And this is quite besides the rather questionable claim assertion that they should be grateful for having been enslaved. Hmmm. Will the Tories in Westminster being distributing that slogan to non-white households?

"So it's difficult to see that the average Black person in USA say, is happier than the average Black person in Africa."

Given that people tend to vote with their feet, by moving from Africa to the USA and other Western countries, rather than in the reverse direction, I'd say that it's not very difficult to see.

"Anti-Racist": Get a life and don't post on here again.

but here's the difference between Islam and the West...We've stopped our slavery over 150 years ago, and they've still got theirs!!

Interestingly, the first European nation to abolish slavery (by Royal edict) was Denmark, then an absolute monarchy.

The edict was issued by the Danish Regent on 16 March 1792, and in came into effect on 1 January 1803.

This thread has become Internet Confessional!

The only European countries which weren't involved in the slave trade were those that didn't have some sort of overseas tropical empire eg the German states and Russia.

It was something which was simply taken for granted at the time, just like witchburning and the persecution of Christians in earlier ages.

I can't see any point whatsoever in these ritual "apologies". Both the people who are due the apologies and those who should be apologising have been dead for generations.

I must correct my earlier post.

Denmark was first to abolish the slave trade. As in the British Empire, the abolition of slavery in Danish colonies took place years later.

Mansfield's decision in (I think) Somersett's Case was a ringing one, although apparently at odds with his general outlook. Was not Mansfield involved in the appalling "Zong" decision, or am I confusing him with another judge?

We Tories are fortunate in that the great slaveowners allied themselves with the then all-powerful Whig faction, so that those Tories who took any leading part in the anti-slavery debate tended to be abolitionists.

Johnson and Wilberforce, both of whom were in modern parlance "right wing" on other issues, are the most prominent names that come to mind.

were those that didn't have some sort of overseas tropical empire eg the German states and Russia.

Russia had Serfdom - it didn't need any other slaves............Austria-Hungary had the robot and didn't need any other slaves

I do not know why Blair is apologising for Britain abolishing Slavery........is this to placate Saudi-Arabia over the SFO investigation, so they can continue to bring their slaves to London ?

Yes, wasp. Of course it would but the problem is that the modern equivalents of serfdom, slavery and the creation of groups of people regarded as "untermenschen" seem to be rather too prevalent in the Islamic world and Sub-Saharan Africa. So you won't hear Blair, Livingstone, Cherie and all the other cultural Marxists talking about those sorts of things.

After all, they are only following in the footsteps of George Bernard Shaw and the Webbs who visited Stalin's Russia - a society built on the most appalling slavery - and pronounced themselves very happy with what they saw. Isn't it time that the right in this country started publicising the fact that several of the founders of the Labour Party were on a moral par with David Irving and Oswald Mosley?

That's correct and it's interesting that Mosley was very much on the left wing of the Tory Party.

Against the prevailing party view Mosley showed sympathy with Irish republicanism (that never changed throughout his political metamorphoses) and spoke out against General Dyer's actions at Amritsar, at a time when Dyer enjoyed enormous support within the party.

If Mosley were a Tory today he would be a fully paid up Cameroon.