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March 2005
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An
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Professor Uta Frith |
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this interview with in-cites correspondent Simon Mitton,
Professor Uta Frith of University College, London (UCL)
discusses the highlights of her research in cognitive
neuroscience. Professor Frith is a world expert on autism
spectrum disorders. She and her research collaborators have
shown that people with autism are victims of a biological
defect that affects their minds. Although autistic individuals
cannot be cured, much can now be done to make life more
hospitable for them.
Professor Frith
is Deputy Director of UCL’s Institute of Cognitive
Neuroscience. Her book Autism, Explaining the Enigma
(Blackwell 1989; second edition 2003) has been translated into
ten languages and successfully conveyed the results of basic
research to a wide readership, including parents and
clinicians. She was one of the initiators of the study of
Asperger's Syndrome in the United Kingdom, where her work on
reading development, spelling, and dyslexia has been highly
influential.
Autism was once
thought to be rare, but current diagnostic practices indicate
that about 0.6% of the population is affected, with two to
four times as many boys as girls. Since the first description
of the condition, 60 years ago, autism has been the subject of
intense research, and the origin of the condition is still a
mystery.
According to
the ISI
Essential
Science Indicators
Web product, Professor Frith’s record includes 31 highly
cited papers in the field of Psychiatry/Psychology. In
addition, her paper "Autism: beyond ‘theory of mind,’
(U. Frith and F. Happé, Cognition 50: 115-32, 1994) is
listed among the most-cited papers of the decade in our Special
Topic on Autism research.
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Beginning with your higher education, what attracted you to make a
career in cognitive neuroscience?
I was born in Germany and did an undergraduate degree in
experimental psychology at the Universitaet des Saarlandes,
Saarbruecken. At that time I was already deeply interested in the
development of reading and writing skills, and the difficulties some
children (dyslexics) have in acquiring these skills.
I trained as a clinical psychologist at the Institute of
Psychiatry in London, and this was where I first came across
children with autism. These children, remote, beautiful, and
mysterious, like the children in the John Wyndham’s science
fiction novel The Midwich Cuckoos, must have cast a spell on
me. At least they aroused in me an enduring fascination. Most
importantly they made me seek out Neil O’Connor and Beate Hermelin,
who conducted groundbreaking research into what was then called
mental retardation. I suppose I was attracted to these researchers
not only because of their elegant experiments in an area which is
notoriously difficult to research, but also because they were such a
sophisticated and glamorous pair. To me they seemed a bit like the
principal characters in The Avengers, the fashionable TV
series in the adventure/spy genre running in the 1960s. They had
already started to investigate autistic children with the tools of
experimental psychology and, much to my amazement and joy they asked
me to join them as a doctoral student.
“We believed that the mind is not a big bowl of spaghetti tangles, but more like a building with different floors and rooms.”
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At the Institute of Psychiatry I also met my husband, Chris Frith,
which accounts for me not returning to Germany to complete my
studies.
What was the topic of your doctoral thesis?
The experiments I did on perception and memory were some of the
first applications of information processing theory to autism.
Hermelin and O’Connor had the brilliant insight to compare and
contrast autistic children with mentally-retarded children who did
not have a specific diagnosis, and with younger normally-developing
children who were matched in terms of mental age on a variety of
cognitive functions. This approach is now standard in the study of
developmental delays.
You finished your Ph.D. in 1968. What then?
In 1968 Neil O’Connor founded the Medical Research Council (MRC)
Developmental Psychology Unit, and hired me as a research fellow, my
dream job. In fact I am lucky enough to be still an MRC scientist to
this day.
Over all these years what changes happened in autism research?
There have been some big changes. In the 1960s, psychoanalysts
held sway and the general view was that autism is an emotional
disorder with a psychological basis and the burden of blame was put
on the mother. This was terribly wrong. Instead we believed that
there must be a very specific fault in the brain that was
responsible for derailing mental development. We believed that the
mind is not a big bowl of spaghetti tangles, but more like a
building with different floors and rooms. In other words, we began
to think of the mind as developing in different ways for different
cognitive capacities. This brought us closer to thinking about the
brain basis of cognitive functions. It was the phenomenon of autism
that encouraged us to think in this way. We found that autistic
children had both stark deficits in some cognitive components, and
outstanding talents in others. For instance, like normally
developing children, they had the ability to form associations and
to learn by rote. At the same time they were extremely poor at
finding meaning and at reciprocating social overtures. But what was
the cause of this failure? It took us a long time to find some
preliminary answers.
Can you explain?
In the mid-80s I developed a theory with Alan Leslie and Simon
Baron-Cohen about a particular mental mechanism that was failing in
autism. Our big idea was that autistic individuals lack a theory
of mind. Once we had tested this idea through different
experiments, with the help of Chris Frith and Francesca Happé I
developed the ambition to look at the brain basis of this capacity.
What is theory of mind?
Theory of mind, or
mentalizing, refers to the mind’s ability to think about itself and
to think about the minds of other people. This ability enables us to
predict other people’s behavior. Thinking about what others think,
rather than what is going on in the physical world outside, is
essential for engaging in complex social activity because it underpins
our ability to co-operate and to learn from each other. Our research
has shown that theory of mind is either absent or severely
delayed in autistic individuals and that this can explain their
difficulties in social communication.
Is this ability to mentalize special to humans?
It may be present in chimpanzees and bonobos, and maybe even in
other species, but it’s not there in monkeys. In humans this
network is active all the time; reputation management and political
spin are only possible because of this feature of the human brain.
The interaction between a teacher and a student is dependent on this
as well, because in order to teach, you must make assumptions about
what the student already knows and what they might find hard to
understand. The ability to mentalize is hugely important for social
interaction and in communication, and we believe it is impaired in
autistic people.
What philosophical approach guides your research?
I would characterize my own approach as a cognitive psychologist
who is interested in developmental disorders from the point of view
that there are certain innate mechanisms in the brain which we can
make visible through brain imaging. The neural basis of the
mechanisms may be faulty in some children, possibly as a result of
faulty genetic programming. Many people now accept that the
predisposition to autism and to dyslexia and other developmental
disorders is largely genetic. How do we imagine these mechanisms to
work, and how does learning and experience play its part? I think
very much in terms of start-up kits that are already working in the
brain from soon after birth. These start-up kits allow fast-track
learning. From day one some mechanisms are already fully functional,
such as those needed for recognizing faces and listening to voices
and speech. Babies learn very fast what people around them look like
and what language they speak.
Your most-cited paper1 is on story comprehension. Tell us
about it.
The stories were based on a previous study by Francesca Happé,
and Paul Fletcher was the young psychiatrist who was daring enough
to take on the task of using positron emission tomography to study
mentalizing. We examined which parts of the brain are active when
the volunteer is asked to read a short story and then answer
questions about the content of the story. Brain imaging studies
require subtraction designs—you cannot just say, "Let’s see
what happens in the brain when you read a story," because
everything is active. We compared brain function for two types of
story: one type required the volunteer to think about what the
people in the story are thinking, and the other did not. For
example, we compared brain activity for a theory of mind
story, where you have to understand that the protagonist used a
double bluff, with a physical story where you have to
understand that it was more economical to buy in bulk. We found a
specific pattern of activation associated with theory of mind.
This study showed that the localization of brain regions involved in
the attribution of mental states was feasible and that this should
have implications for the neural basis of autism.
Since this first brain imaging study on mentalizing there have
been many others with different materials and also different
techniques, such as magnetic resonance imaging. Our 2000 Neuropsychologia
paper4 reports impressively consistent results with
stories and pictures. The emerging results from this and other
studies prompted Chris Frith and myself to write a review paper2,
which speculated about the function of the different components in
the brain that make up the mentalizing network.
Having looked at theory of mind in the brain of normal
volunteers, what did you find out about theory of mind in the
brain in autism?
Basically, the same regions are active as in normal volunteers,
but much less so. Recently we did a brain imaging study where we
showed animated triangles, either moving in a random fashion or
interacting with each other. In the latter case, most people feel
compelled to attribute mental states to these triangles—after all,
that is why we enjoy looking at animated cartoons. We found that
autistic individuals are much less inclined to do this.
We next compared the scans of normal and very able adults with
autism or Asperger’s syndrome when viewing these animations. Again
we found the brain’s mentalizing network. This was less active in
the people with autism and, furthermore, it showed reduced
interaction between the components of the network.
What are your current ideas on autism?
In autism there are not only social problems. From the very
earliest description of autism in the 1940s, it was observed that
these children often have narrow obsessive interests and may get
captured by a minor visual detail in their environment. For example,
they might zoom in on some very small part of the pattern on a
decorated china teacup. Or they may notice that the cup handle has a
small tea stain. First with Amitta Shah and subsequently with
Francesca Happé, I have developed a theory to explain this tendency
to focus on detail3,5.
My hypothesis is that autistic children really do perceive
details better than normal people, to the extent that they cannot
see the wood for the trees. The nickname of the theory is
"central coherence." What it means is that cognitive
processing is normally geared towards extracting overall meaning and
overall Gestalt at the cost of surface detail. So when your memory
is overloaded (e.g., by the details of a long speech) what you will
later recall is just the main message the speaker wanted to convey,
not necessarily the speaker’s words. My hunch is that in autism
the balance of processing both deep meaning and surface detail is
tipped in favor of detail.
Can you elaborate?
For instance, when their memory is full to capacity individuals
with autism still do well giving verbatim accounts, but what they
cannot get is the gist. They do not easily get to that level of
processing information where you extract what it all means. We
believe this is an interesting style of mental processing which isn’t
always a disadvantage. For example if you can recall word for word
what someone has said, or can really see visual details that others
miss, this might have useful applications. This can lead to superior
performance for certain tasks and shows that autism is not just a
catalog of deficits. This idea made us think that perhaps weak
central coherence is a feature of the broader autism phenotype and
that biological relatives of autistic individuals may sometimes show
this feature too. Indeed one of our recent studies shows that this
assumption may be correct. The number of studies guided by the
theory of central coherence has increased substantially in the last
few years. It took a while for this rather outlandish idea to take
off. But it also took a while for the idea of a failure of theory
of mind to be widely accepted. The situation now is that these
concepts need to be related to each other.
What are you doing right now?
We have been trying to develop tasks that are sensitive enough to
detect problems in theory of mind even in people who are so
intelligent that they have already worked out logical solutions to
the problems. But we do not think that autism means that every
aspect of social knowledge is impaired. Right now we are interested
in aspects of good social knowledge and social competence in autism.
Our hope is that a brain imaging study currently in progress will
tell us why people with autism may have problems in attending to
social, but not to non-social stimuli.
Professor Uta Frith
Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience & Department of Psychology
University College London
London, UK
Papers cited
- Fletcher, P., Happé, F., Frith, U., Baker, S., Dolan, R.,
Frackowiak, R., and Frith, C. D., "Other minds in the
brain: A functional imaging study of theory of mind in story
comprehension," Cognition 57(2): 109-28, 1995.
- Frith, C. D., and Frith, U., "Cognitive psychology –
interacting minds – A biological basis," Science
286(5445): 1692-5, 1999.
- Frith, U., and Happé, F. "Autism: beyond ‘theory of
mind,’" Cognition 50: 115-32, 1994.
- Gallagher, H. L, Happé F, Brunswick N, Fletcher PC, Frith U,
Frith CD, "Reading the mind in cartoons and stories: an
fMRI study of ‘theory of mind’ in verbal and nonverbal
tasks," Neuropsychologia 38(1): 11–21, 2000.
- Shah, A. & Frith, U., "Why do autistic individuals
show superior performance on the Block Design task?" Journal
of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 34: 1351-1364, 1993
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