ESI Special
Topics: December 2007
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An INTERVIEW with Dr. Martha Shenton |
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ccording
to our Special Topics analysis of schizophrenia research
over the past decade, the scientist ranked at #8 is Dr.
Martha Shenton, with 72 papers cited a total of 2,673 times
to date. In
Essential
Science IndicatorsSM, Dr.
Shenton’s record includes 74 papers cited a total of 2,234
times to date in the field of Psychiatry & Psychology and 31
papers cited a total of 1,216 times to date in the field of
Neuroscience & Behavior. Dr. Shenton is Professor of
Psychiatry and Radiology as well as the Director of the
Psychiatry Neuroimaging Laboratory at Brigham and Women’s
Hospital in Boston. She is also Director of the Clinical
Neuroscience Division, Laboratory of Neuroscience, VA Boston
Healthcare System in Brockton, MA. Editorial Coordinator
Jennifer Minnick recently had the privilege of talking with
Dr. Shenton at her lab about her highly cited research, as
well as with two members of her team, Drs. Sylvain Bouix and
Marc Niethammer, instructors in the Department of
Psychiatry, about their current research projects. |
What
interested you in schizophrenia?
If you are interested in studying psychopathology, schizophrenia
is the most severe of all psychiatric disorders. It affects the way
people think, their motivation, their perceptions, and the way they
relate to other people. It fills up more hospital beds outside of
anything other than aging problems. The symptoms are so
unusual—people hear voices, they have delusions—and it seems to me
that that’s something you really want to understand and try to
treat.
My own interest dates back to graduate school at Harvard, where I
had a wonderful mentor, Professor Philip Holzman. He was
investigating eye tracking—the way people follow objects with their
eyes. He observed that tracking objects was abnormal in
schizophrenia and he sought to understand why an anomaly like eye
tracking was present in schizophrenia—he wanted to know exactly how
this seemingly unrelated observation was related to schizophrenia.
This idea caught my attention as I had never thought about
anomalies that may be seemingly unrelated to an illness but which
might be more important in understanding the etiology of that
illness than some of the more striking clinical symptoms like
hallucinations or delusions.
“It was very exciting to
be doing neuroimaging studies in schizophrenia,
and to be a part of this new research, knowing
that we were standing on the edge of something
that was new and really promising.”
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Symptoms like eye tracking may not be core features of
schizophrenia, but Phil brought genetic aspects of the disorder to
light—he found eye-tracking abnormalities in schizophrenia, albeit
not in all patients with schizophrenia, but, even more importantly,
he observed eye-tracking abnormalities in some of the family members
of patients with schizophrenia.
The other thing that’s interesting about schizophrenia is that
you’re probably not seeing one disorder, but many, and it is likely
due, at least in part, to the effects of multiple genes—with weak
effects, which, taken together, lead to schizophrenia. I think also
the complicated nature of the disorder is what drew me to want to
understand it.
How
did you come to study schizophrenia using MRI?
My dissertation was on formal thought disorder, and I examined
how patients with schizophrenia express themselves—they have
peculiar word usages, and they make up words, and yet it was not at
all obvious why this phenomenon was so common in schizophrenia. We
even found that some formal thought disorder was also observed in
the relatives of patients with schizophrenia. And again, the
question that came to mind was, what is it that resulted in this
person developing schizophrenia, but not his/her relative? What also
was striking to me is that thought disorder had to be related to the
brain. So I wanted to get closer to the brain.
There was, in fact, a long history of looking at the brain in
schizophrenia, dating back to when Alzheimer discovered senile
plaques in the brains of patients who ended up with this dementia
named for him. Early investigators interested in schizophrenia were
impressed with brain findings in dementia, and thought that they
might also discover that the brain was also affected in
schizophrenia.
Researchers in the late 19th century became really
disappointed, however, because the findings in schizophrenia weren’t
there. But, I think the problem here is that they were looking for
big alterations, when, in fact, any alterations in the brains of
patients with schizophrenia are likely to be small, and subtle by
comparison to disorders such as
Alzheimer’s disease.
And if you’re looking for small and subtle brain alterations then
you can not use crude measurement tools—you have to be really
precise, and this necessitates very refined and sophisticated tools
to detect small differences in the brain.
There was a researcher by the name of Plum, who in a 1972 paper
stated that schizophrenia was the "graveyard of neuropathologists."
What he meant by this statement is that if you were going to spend
your career working in the area of schizophrenia brain research, it
would be a wasteland, because you would not get anywhere—this
statement was made at a time when we still did not have the
equipment available to make such an exploration fruitful. Many
investigators had even moved away from looking at the brain, because
if there were no good tools, there would be no good findings.
Then in 1976, there was a renewed interest in trying to look at
the brain in schizophrenia—this interest was rekindled by a CT study
done by Eve Johnstone and colleagues in the UK. This paper was
important because it got researchers thinking about the brain and
its connection to schizophrenia again. That was the seminal paradigm
shift—the first CT study that said, "Hey, we actually can
find abnormalities in the brain."
To get back on track though, my work on thought disorder with
Philip Holzman led me to want to get closer to the brain in trying
to understand schizophrenia. Consequently, when I finished my Ph.D.
in ’84 at Harvard, I began a post-doctoral fellowship with my next
mentor, Bob McCarley, in the
Clinical Research Training Program at Harvard Medical School.
During my two-year fellowship with Bob, I conducted a study
investigating the relationship between formal thought disorder, and
an event related potential known as the P300. Event related
potentials (ERP) are EEG activity in response to a stimulation
controlled by the experimenter. The P300 occurs about 300
milliseconds following a discrepant or novel event in the
environment. It is thought to be an index of the brain's ability to
detect relevant from irrelevant stimuli. It’s the brain’s way of
saying "hey, that’s unusual," and tells you that there’s something
to which you need to pay attention.
As patients with schizophrenia have problems with differentiating
relevant from irrelevant information in the environment, I thought
it would be of interest to evaluate this phenomenon in conjunction
with measures of formal thought disorder, delusions, and
hallucinations. These studies led to the finding that patients with
schizophrenia show a decrease in the P300 that is evident in the
left temporal region of the brain, a region thought to be important
in language functioning. This finding has since been replicated in
our own research as well as by other laboratories.
In 1987 I was involved in a CT study with Bob McCarley and
Marjorie LeMay at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, and I also talked to
Ferenc Jolesz, who is a professor in the Department of Radiology,
and I said, "I want to put in for a K award (NIH Career Development
Award) to come here and study the brain in schizophrenia using MRI."
He was very nice and said I could come but thought I would be
wasting my time. I said, "OK, but can I come?" and he agreed. At the
time, he had the same view of wondering why anyone would look at the
brain and its role in schizophrenia—if there were anything to find,
it would have been found already.
In ’88 we started the MRI work. Early on, the spatial resolution
of MRI was only about 1 cm thick, and there were gaps between slices
— so you couldn’t view the whole brain. It wasn’t until later, with
our 1992 NEJM paper (Shenton ME, et al.,
"Abnormalities of the left temporal lobe and thought disorder in
schizophrenia. A quantitative magnetic resonance imaging study,"
NEJM 327[9]: 604-12, 27 August 1992), that we were able to look
at the entire brain through a series of 1.5mm slices.
It was very exciting to be doing neuroimaging studies in
schizophrenia, and to be a part of this new research, knowing that
we were standing on the edge of something that was new and really
promising. And the result was that we really did find brain
alterations in schizophrenia. And most exciting, we were able to
confirm early speculations about brain abnormalities in
schizophrenia in a way that was previously not possible, but became
possible because of the new imaging tools available to explore the
brain.
Dr. Martha Shenton's
most-cited paper with 411 cites to date: |
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Shenton ME, et al., "A review of MRI findings
in schizophrenia," Schizophr. Res. 49(1-2):
1-52, 15 April 2001.
Source:
Essential Science Indicators. |
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Dr. Martha Shenton was interviewed in our first analysis of
Schizophrenia in
July 2001. Dr. Shenton of Harvard
Medical School talked about the influences and
experiences that have shaped her career in
neuroscience.
Read the interview. |
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Read an interview with coauthor
Dr. Robert McCarley
about the paper above from the Special Topic of Schizophrenia. |
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Schizophrenia is such a terrible clinical disorder and we were
all pleased that our work was published in a journal that would be
read by people who were treating schizophrenia. We got the letter of
acceptance on my mother’s birthday, which would have pleased her—she
had passed away a few years prior, from Alzheimer’s disease.
The excitement we felt in those early years when we began MRI
studies is very similar to the excitement generated from new work we
are doing that involves diffusion tensor imaging studies in
schizophrenia. There are no guideposts for the research, no standard
operating procedures, no conventions, so to speak. We try things
out, and find some things that work, and some that don’t, and have
that "wow!" moment. To me, what I find most exciting is working in
an area where two fields meet, which is also where new discoveries
are made.
This new work is being done in collaboration with Marek Kubicki,
a neuroradiologist and physicist by training; Sylvain Bouix,
Carl-Fredrik Westin, Marc Niethammer, and Yogesh Rathi, computer
scientists; Bob McCarley, Jim Levitt, Chandlee Dickey, and Ron
Guerrera, psychiatrists; Dean Salisbury, Margaret Niznikiewicz, and
Paul Nestor, psychologists; Ron Kikinis and Ferenc Jolesz,
neuroradiologists; Zora Kikinis, a biochemist and geneticist; and
visiting fellows including Moto Nakamura, a psychiatrist from Japan,
Khang-Uk Lee, a psychiatrist from Korea, Jung Su Oh, a biomedical
engineer from Korea, Toshiro Kawashima, a psychiatrist from Japan,
Jennifer Fitzsimmons, a medical school graduate from Spain, and
Lucas Torres, a medical school graduate from Argentina. We are also
beginning studies evaluating ERP measures of interhemispheric
transfer and diffusion tensor imaging with Kevin Spencer.
Would
you talk a little bit about the 1998 American Journal of Psychiatry
paper, "Lower left temporal lobe MRI volumes in patients with
first-episode schizophrenia compared with psychotic patients with
first-episode affective disorder and normal subjects" (Hirayasu Y, et
al. 155[10]: 1384-91)?
Sure, this work was done with Yoshio Hirayasu, Bob McCarley, Dean
Salisbury, as well as others listed in the paper. This 1998 paper is
important because you’re seeing real change early on in the illness,
which means this is a point in time where you’d really want to
intervene, and try to prevent these changes. If you look at patients
with chronic schizophrenia at two points in time, you don’t see
these changes. From this study we observed that brain alterations in
the temporal lobe are observed at first hospitalization for
schizophrenia, but are not observed in psychotic patients with a
first-episode of affective disorder, or in normal controls.
What
are some of your current projects?
Our lab is developing and applying new imaging tools to study
schizophrenic brains, though we also are continuing work using
structural MR, functional MR, and diffusion MR techniques to
understand cognitive, clinical, and abnormalities in schizophrenia.
We also have a number of young investigators with expertise in
neuroscience, psychiatry, psychology, neuroradiology, physics,
engineering, and computer science who are actively working on
developing and applying new imaging tools to understand brain
networks such as language, memory, and attentional networks in the
brain.
Some of these individuals will be meeting and talking with you
today about their work, although Marek Kubicki, one of my main
collaborators, is not here today to discuss his work. He is very
much involved in all of the imaging studies done in our lab.
Sylvain Bouix: Schizophrenia is a syndrome that affects the
brain, but is not limited to one area. We need structural and
functional pictures of the brain to get a complete picture of what
is abnormal. We now have different ways of looking at the brain, and
thanks to MRI we can perform volumetric studies and shape analyses.
Our focus has been on regions involved in language processing, as
well as language expression and auditory hallucinations, among the
most common symptoms of schizophrenia.
We use a computer program
3D Slicer, to look
at 3D images of the brain and automatically label the various
structures for volume measurement. This is not easy to achieve, as
it would be like taking a picture of a scene outside the window and
wanting the computer to be able to tell the difference between the
buildings, trees, cars, etc. It’s difficult to develop, and for some
of the more complex regions, like the caudate, we still need to
label them by hand. Nevertheless the refinement has come a long way
over the last 15 years.
We are also performing shape analyses. Using a 3D shape
representation technique, we can evaluate shape deformations in
schizophrenic brains. We concentrate on where the volume loss is
observed, although other parts of the brain will also be affected.
We’ve done these studies with the caudate nucleus and
amygdala-hippocampal complex, but we are certainly interested in
investigating shape deformations in other structures as well, as
these may be associated with neurodevelopmental influences in the
brain.
Marc Niethammer: As recently as 10 years ago, researchers
were unable to investigate white matter in detail from MR images,
and mainly focused on gray matter. But now we’re doing something
called diffusion tensor imaging (DTI), which allows us to look at
the directionality of white matter, and the integrity of the white
matter bundles in the brain.
These types of studies provide much more information than we had
previously, and, of course, are more complicated to analyze and
require more complex tools. DTI measures the diffusion of water in
the brain. Though it cannot go down as far as to a single axon, it
can provide the orientation of the macroscopic structure of fiber
tracts, which allow us to make topographic maps of white matter,
which helps to give an indication of global white matter behavior.
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“We need structural and functional pictures
of the brain to get a complete picture of
what is abnormal.”
Sylvain Bouix
(left)
“Combining structural MRI and DTI scans will
provide a more complete picture than we’ve ever had before.”
Marc Niethammer (right) |
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DTI has uses other than schizophrenic studies. It can also be
used to study cases of brain trauma, tumors, or in preparation for
brain surgery.
Another research strategy we are taking involves velocardiofacial
syndrome (VCFS). A high percentage of VCFS patients also develop
schizophrenia. These patients also have a known chromosomal
deletion, on chromosome 22. With these patients, we can combine
imaging and genetics by having a much more genetically homogeneous
study population. Combining structural MRI and DTI scans will
provide a more complete picture than we’ve ever had before.
Sylvain Bouix: One final type of study we are performing is
functional MRI (fMRI)—we take the images during controlled
experimental tasks, which we hope will help link anatomical
abnormalities in the brain with clinical and psychological symptoms.
Shenton: We’re now part of a big NIMH grant with Bob McCarley,
the principal investigator (PI), as well as Jill Goldstein, Larry
Seidman, Jean Frazier, Tracey Petreshen, and Wilson Woo, called the
Boston CIDAR. I’m PI for the imaging core, as well as PI on a
special project on white-matter progression, using DTI. We’re going
to be looking at prodromes (patients at high risk, before they
become ill, or do not), first-episode patients, as well as different
time points in the first episode, and also chronic patients. We’ll
be collecting gene data from the patients as well, and this will be
evaluated in conjunction with imaging and cognitive and behavioral
data.
We’ll be able to look at endstage, and by including people who
are at risk for developing schizophrenia (prodrome period), we will
be able to evaluate people who go on to develop the schizophrenia
and those who do not. That’s going to be important, because the
individuals who go on to develop schizophrenia might be very
different from those who don’t.
Also, if you find abnormalities early on, even before the first
psychotic episode of illness, you’re going to be looking at
something that’s probably much more inherently part of the disorder
itself. And if you see things that change over time, even in a short
time interval, it really indicates that this area is where you’re
going to want to put your money and effort in terms of treatment and
prevention strategies.
Schizophrenia is about thirds: a third of patients stay the same,
a third get better, and a third get worse. Well, a third get
"better," but they may not ever go back to baseline.
Where
do you see our knowledge about schizophrenia in five to ten years?
In 2001, I wrote a review (Shenton ME, et al., "A review
of MRI findings in schizophrenia," Schizophrenia Research
49:1-52, 15 April 2001) that addresses this issue. Just to give you
an idea of how far this research has come, in 2001 you could write a
comprehensive review article, but you couldn’t do that today—there’s
too much material now; you’d need a whole book.
Imaging genomics are going to be an area to watch—trying to get
closer to the gene, with imaging. We know so much more about the
brain now than we used to know, and we are just beginning to
understand genes. Imaging and associations with genes will likely be
important as will delineating further attentional, memory, and
language networks in the brain, how they are affected in
schizophrenia, and how they are associated with genes.
I also think that more individualized treatment may be an area
that will burgeon in the near future. For example, once you know
which brain region(s) are affected in a given patient, it may be
possible to tailor treatment to that individual. There may, for
example, be some patients for whom attention is more of an issue,
and for others it could be something else—we might be able to find a
way of delineating for each patient what their greatest deficits
are, and what areas of the brain are affected most, and then you
might be able to tailor new treatments based on new drugs developed
specifically for that individual patient. You might be able to learn
to block a gene’s effect(s) or begin to know where to intervene in
terms of cognitive remediation.
Other future areas of research are likely in prevention, and in a
focus on the prodrome period. You can diagnose a disease, but
diagnosis sometimes doesn’t help in terms of treatment as, for
example, in Alzheimer’s disease (AD). There are now clear diagnostic
indicators of AD, and we know it is characterized by amyloid plaques
and neural fiber tangles. But by the time you diagnose AD, there’s
not much you can do in terms of treatment. But what if, early on,
you could intervene?
For instance, there’s a researcher at Brigham and Women’s
Hospital, Lee Goldstein, who is looking at AD plaques by looking at
them in the lens of the eye. The eye’s lens metabolizes much more
slowly than the brain, so the brain could be clearing out plaques,
but the lens is slower, and as such, might not be clearing things
out as quickly. So if you look at the lens of the eye and pick up
amyloid plaques a decade or two before they’re seen in the brain,
combined with perhaps information about an underlying predisposition
to developing AD, such as ApoE4, or a slightly smaller hippocampus,
and you could identify this decades before the onset of AD, then
intervention might be more feasible.
Similarly, to intervene early in the course of schizophrenia will
likely be an important future area of research. What if you could
get in early to try to prevent the cascade of events that might
follow? These are I think important areas for future research.
What
do you think needs to be done with these findings to help patients? Do
you think this will lead to a cure?
In terms of rehabilitation of chronic patients, I think that we
need to impress upon people that the brain is more plastic than
anyone thought. If there are deficits, we may be able to teach
patients specific techniques to get around some of these deficits.
With respect to early in the course of illness, I think more of a
focus is needed here, prior to what is likely progressive changes in
at least a subgroup of patients with schizophrenia.
With the imaging studies, we need to put structural, diffusion,
and functional MRI together in a multimodal fashion, in the same
patient—to really understand what’s going on in the brain using all
the imaging tools we have. This is an area our group has been
pushing forward on.
What
would you do in terms of your research if you had unlimited funding?
I don’t know how people answer questions like this! I think I
would do what I’m already doing, but on a larger scale. I would add
looking at postmortem brains to validate the DTI studies, and I
would have a genetics group to work more closely with. It would be
nice to get people from pharma involved as well.
We really do want to put all these pieces together—genetics,
imaging, postmortem, pharma—and say, "Listen, this is a complex
disorder, so let’s try to approach it from all these different
areas." I would want to try to answer the same questions using all
the tools we have available to us. This is truly a devastating
disorder and we need to make it more tractable.
Martha E. Shenton, Ph.D.
Director, Psychiatry Neuroimaging Laboratory
Brigham & Women’s Hospital
Harvard Medical School
Boston, MA, USA
and
Clinical Neuroscience Division
Laboratory of Neuroscience
VA Boston Healthcare System
Brockton MA
Sylvain Bouix, Ph.D., Investigator and Instructor
Marc Niethammer, Ph.D., Investigator and Instructor
Psychiatry Neuroimaging Laboratory
Brigham & Women’s Hospital
Harvard Medical School
Boston, MA, USA
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1: Some of the major white matter fiber
bundles identified through diffusion tensor
imaging: Fornix (magenta), right Cingulum
(green), right Inferior Longitudinal Fasciculus
(yellow), right Uncinate Fasciculus (blue),
Corpus Callosum (orange).
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ESI Special
Topics: December 2007
Citing URL: http://esi-topics.com/sch2007/interviews/MarthaShenton2.html
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