by Jeb Wright
Ian Gillan is back with a new solo
album titled One Eye on Morocco. While Deep
Purple faithful know that whenever Gillan steps out
of the band to work on an outside project, the end
result will not resemble his day job in the least.
Going clear back to his early days in Purple, it was
Ian who sang the role of Jesus Christ in Jesus
Christ Superstar. That is a long way from "Speed
King."
The new album is jazzy, upbeat,
reminding one of being on a fun vacation in, say, a
place like... Morocco. Ian, dedicated to make the
music he desires even banned guitar solos on the
album. There is not really much of hint that this is
one of the greatest singers in all of Hard Rock’s
illustrious history on this album. Instead, there is
a man, in his sixties, making music the he
dreams of. It is a mature album. It is a musical
album. It is a long way from "Speed King."
Still, Ian has those glorious pipes
that are still capable of impressing even a jaded
rock critic, even one who favors songs like "Speed
King." The bottom line with One Eye to Morocco
is that, despite it being an album by Deep
Purple’s vocalist, it is a good listen. Despite the
music coming from left field when compared to the
glorious, historical moments like "Speed King," the
new songs are pretty good. Maybe most of Gillan’s
fans really dream of new versions of "Highway Star"
or "Space Truckin’" but I think we all know that you
can’t duplicate those songs. Besides, save that
wishing for the next Deep Purple album. Let Ian step
outside the box and indulge himself in his musical
vision every now and then.
In this interview, we discuss that
musical vision, going all the way back to Ian’s
musical influences and his love of the blues. We
also discuss how Deep Purple has changed over the
years. Lastly, Ian explains the rules to a game
called After Burner, which involve being naked,
fire, a newspaper stuck up your ass and a lot of
running.
Jeb: Tell me about the naming of the
new album.
Ian: It is one half of a saying in
Poland. The full saying is "One Eye to Morocco and
one eye to the Caucasus." It has its origins in the
recent political times but in literal terms it means
being cross-eyed, looking in two directions at the
same time. It was said to me by a friend of mine,
Tommy Jovinski, when I was in Poland some years ago;
I was staying at his house. We were doing the
tourist thing in Cracow on the first day. After
going through the salt mines, we went through the
Jewish Quarter. We were looking at Schindler’s Café
and having some coffee, when an amazingly beautiful
woman walked behind Tommy. I completely lost it and
followed her with my eyes. She disappeared out the
door and he said, "Oh, you have one eye toward
Morocco." I thought that would be a great name for
an album because Deep Purple is my Caucasus and
Morocco is my naughty weekend away. It is a very
evocative phrase. It suited some of the more
eclectic approaches that we took, musically, on this
record.
Jeb: I saw that you co-wrote some of
the songs with Steve Morse, your guitar player in
Deep Purple. And there are no guitar solos on the
album. How did you get him to not play a solo?
Ian: It was Steve Morris that I
co-wrote with, not Steve Morse. Steve Morris is an
English guy from Liverpool. He has been my most
consistent songwriting partner through the years.
Steve Morris, even more than Steve Morse, is a wild
rock ‘n’ roller. He sends me demos and I say, "Wow,
that is really heavy." His playing is always melodic
and textured but I didn’t want that on this record.
I didn’t want any improvised guitar solos on this
record. I didn’t want anything at all improvised. I
wanted everything written out, arranged and
recorded. We left Steve at home, not because he
hasn’t got it, but he is hard to tie down. As
musicians get better in their life, they tend to get
more complicated. Sometimes the performance is more
important than the song. I think you lose production
values by letting a rock band loose in the studio.
This was not a rock album.
Jeb: This album, even compared to
your solo efforts is...what is the word I am looking
for...
Ian: If a Deep Purple album is
in-your-face then this might be seductive.
Jeb: Good way to put it. I would
think this would be an odd way for you to write as
you have worked with so many good guitar players.
Ian: Whenever I am outside of Deep
Purple, this is how I work. When I did Accidently
on Purpose with Roger Glover, there was a lot of
saxophone and piano on that album. The solos were
all written out. There was only one solo that was
improvised on the entire album. With Dream
Catcher, to a certain extent, the songs were
more important than the performances. Mind you, I
didn’t have much of a budget for that one. If I had
a band on that one then it would have been even more
different.
When I grew up, before I joined Deep
Purple, my influences were Rock ‘n’ Roll but then I
really got into the blues. I was into everything
from the slave songs to the field lament. I was into
the Delta Blues and the progression up through the
St. Louis Blues and, by the time it all reached
Chicago, it had a much more commercial flavor. That
made a big impact on me. We also listened to a lot
of Soul music. By the time I found my own voice,
which was pretty much when I joined Deep Purple. I
melded my influences with Jon’s, Ritchie’s and
Roger’s, which were Orchestral, Folk, Jazz and Big
Band/Swing. Deep Purple, through that alchemy,
became what it was. When you remove elements of
that, then you are left with elements of what you
brought to the table in the first place, plus little
bits of what has gone on in the meantime. I know
that if I had the experience of life that I have
now, then this is the kind of music that I would
have been making when I was twenty-one, twenty-two
and twenty-three years old, had I not joined Deep
Purple.
Jeb: People who follow your career
realize that when you step outside of Deep Purple,
it is not going to sound like Deep Purple. You are
going to do your own thing.
Ian: There is no point making a
second rate Deep Purple album. Deep Purple have
evolved and survived the changes. Most of the
significant moments of development were behind the
scenes. The time we grew up was really just fifteen
to twenty years ago. It is difficult to discover
that but when you change the balance . . . When
people die or get divorced and then a new family
member joins, you discover a lot subtleties. You
still live in the same house and the garden is in
the same place but you have replanted, repainted,
refurnished and refurbished. People still come to
visit but it is just different. It matures and
evolves.
There are things that have touched
you in early years that you can grab and use with a
different kind of trigger. It is not written in
stone. Rock music evolved and as long as it stays
alive—it has always had these little bursts like
Punk, Grunge and Heavy Metal. All of these things
have sprung from Rock ‘n’ Roll. When you take that,
and mix in a bit of new fashion and put a little
technology in there, then you will find that one
generation’s music is rejected and the next one
comes along, mutates and then becomes a blind alley.
There is only so much you can do
with Grunge or Punk but then that spawns more ideas
and you end up with an incredible kaleidoscope of
pop music over all the years. You can identify the
original influences because they were so simple. You
can also identify some of the blind alleys and dead
end canyons that some of these mutations have
arrived at. I think if you go back, and take a
cutting from that original tree, you will find that
those roots run very deep. I have seen some bands
come out of retirement and there has been no
continuum. It is hard to pick up that spark again
unless you get a year or two under your belt and
rebuild the alchemy. It is really a complex subject.
Jeb: Are you comfortable that your
music makes up some of those deep roots?
Ian: I have constantly said, with
the greatest respect to everyone, that you only have
a very short time where you have any contemporary
value. The rest of it is really your life’s work. We
had that short window of opportunity with great
commercialism; it was part of our generation.
Contemporary art and music can never be judged from
a different perspective because you have to be part
of it to appreciate it and value it. The previous
generation doesn’t like it. My uncle, who is a great
jazz pianist, ran screaming from the room when he
heard Deep Purple In Rock. He said, "This is
a big racket. It is nothing but noise." From where
he was standing, he was right but from where I was
standing, it was a glorious racket.
I never followed any of those
musical mutations like Heavy Metal or Grunge. I was
amused by dinosaurs and wrinkly rockers. I think the
words ‘classic rock’ are the worst of all labels. I
used to think that was a gravestone, in my book. I,
then realized, that ‘classic rock’ means a lot more
than it did when it set out to save, for heritage
reasons, the music of the seventies and the
eighties. It changed.
I have just come back from Japan and
I had the most amazing time. Jon Lord got up and
jammed with us. He flew up from Seoul, where he
finished an orchestral performance. He came and
jammed with us in Tokyo. I had dinner with him and
we were talking about the way things have changed.
There was a journalist there as well who said he
noticed the way Deep Purple had changed, with the
use of light and shade, over the past ten years.
There is a huge splash of improvisation going on
every night that makes my stomach churn around
lunchtime. I get this nervous excitement about the
show that is going to happen that night.
Jeb: After all this time you still
get nervous?
Ian: Every day. Look at the set
list—when we hit on a really good running order then
there is no reason to change it. The interesting
thing is that if you look at the set list for a
Thursday night and then look at the time of the
show, we may have played an hour and three quarters.
We play the next night, in a different town, and in
a different venue, and the set list was the same,
but the show was thirty minutes longer. Where did
those thirty minutes come from? It is not in the
arrangements. I am certainly not known for my
verbosity between numbers. I talk gibberish between
songs. The answer is quite clear, the extra time
comes from improvisation between the musicians. I
never know what they are going to do. It gets
dangerous up there. You have to be sharp and in
form. There is no music or map or guide. There is
nothing other than what we call ‘horses eyes.’ You
learn to look at each other and tell when somebody
is going to take off in another direction.
Jeb: To play the devil’s advocate,
is One Eye to Morocco a way for you to play
it safe, musically?
Ian: No, it is a different thing. I
equate Purple to a rhythm and blues jazz combo,
whereas this is a collection of songs. I was doing a
photograph session in Milan for this record. The
record company came down to this beautiful villa. We
had a fashion photographer and his entourage. My
personal assistant was there, and there was a girl
to do the hair, and a girl to do the translation;
there were a lot of people there. The boss of the
label was even there. Somebody put the record on,
quietly. I was trying to do my work and something
kept catching me out of the corner of my eye. It was
the girls. I couldn’t hear what they were saying but
their bums were all moving with the record. I
thought, "Mission accomplished."
This is really what used to be
called a pop record; It is really just a bunch of
singles. I think the discipline in the studio is
entirely different. It is not a cop out or a safe
move or anything like that. The discipline is quite
difficult. You have to look at the individual
performances as well as the song. Your painting
pictures with music. I had so much fun with the
lyrics because the mood was set by the title track.
You can’t skate too far away or people’s bums will
stop moving. I like the idea that people may not be
really listening to the record but they still feel
it. That gave me great pleasure.
Jeb: While this album has no guitar
leads, there is some great playing on the album.
There is a lot of great rhythm playing on this
album.
Ian: You’re right, there is a lot of
rhythm guitar on this record. With Episode Six, we
always had two guitar players; one was for lead and
one was for rhythm. That provided rhythmic structure
underneath. If you listen to improvisation then
there has to be something underneath. If you grow
wild roses then you have to have some trellis work
for them to grow up. The universe needs gravity. All
of these things that seem to be unconfined are all
held together in that way. Purple, The Nice and
Vanilla Fudge replaced the rhythm guitar player with
the Hammond Organ. The second guitar player suddenly
had no use. If you listen to the old Stax records or
the old Blues records then there is some incredible
rhythm guitar playing. Just listen to Otis Redding
or Wilson Picket and you will hear incredible rhythm
guitar playing. It is a vital instrument. It is
almost like the conductor in the band.
Jeb: The last one I have Ian, is
more a comment than a question. About a year or so
ago I was on your website and I clicked on a link on
your site and then, suddenly there was a picture of
you and another guy hanging upside down butt naked.
You scarred me for life!
Ian: That was one of a thousand
pictures. The American label decided they needed to
censor that. They had to cover up those dicks—and
the plumbs too. We decided we would put Uncle Sam,
with his finger, on the record, as if to say,
"Naughty boys. Don’t do that." We concealed the
furniture on the record but I was determined not to
be censored.
That picture was taken one drunken
night by my mother-in-law, or my sister-in-law. They
were both there but I can’t remember which one took
the picture. I never wear clothes whether I am in
Portugal or if I am in England, like I am right now.
It is a beautiful day in England right now so what
is the point of wearing clothes?
I was working as a dive master down
in the Cayman islands. We had a few rum punches that
night. The boat captain, whose name was Chad,
started playing a game called After Burn. The game
involves rolling up a newspaper, sticking one end up
your ass, setting fire to the other end and seeing
how many laps you can make around the garden before
you are screaming in agony. We put money on these
things but we got bored with that. We started
talking about fruit bats and decided to hang upside
down on his daughter’s swing frame in the garden. If
you look carefully at the photograph—not at the
naughty bits but at the bar, just under our knees,
then you will see there is a bend in it. Two seconds
after that photograph was taken, it snapped in two
and we ended up in a heap on the ground. That
photograph is still on the website. I make no
apologies at all for the fact that I have a birthday
suit and that I wear it often in the right weather.
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