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Color Line Cuts Through the Heart
Posted by Andrew on Tuesday, July 25 @ 18:00:58 EDT
Contributed by dac
Dating and Sexuality By Lois E. Beckett
The Harvard Crimson
March 22, 2006

Jimmy Zhao ’08 says his parents used to joke that if he ever brought a white girl home, at least they could be glad she wasn’t African American.

If Zhao, who is Chinese American, did bring an African-American girlfriend back to his New Jersey home, it wouldn’t only surprise his parents. It would be a statistical anomaly.

According to U.S. Census Bureau data analyzed by a sociologist at University of Massachusetts-Amherst, C.N. Le, just 0.1 percent of Chinese-American men have African-American wives, compared to 5.1 percent who are married to white women.

Zhao’s parents’ joke might be jarring to many, but it underscores the obstacles facing Asian-Americans who date across racial lines.

At Harvard, students say, interracial relationships involving Asian students seem relatively common, and they may not draw as much attention as other interracial pairings.

But even this prevalent form of interracial dating is bound by its own set of rules and expectations, which students say complicate every intersection of romance and race.

The Asian Fetish


Relationships between Asian women and white men seem particularly commonplace, students say. According to Le’s data, a Chinese, Japanese, or Vietnamese woman is more than twice as likely as her male ethnic counterpart to have a white spouse.

Hovering over these relationships is the specter of the “Asian fetish,” Jean Yang ’08 says.

By that, Yang refers to a supposed white-male fantasy based on the stereotype that Asian women are exotic, or delicate, or more passive than females of other races.

Yang, who is Chinese American, says she would not want to date someone who was only attracted to her because of her ethnicity. Although the “Asian fetish,” is a familiar concept to her, she says it is not a concern in her present interracial relationship.

Christopher L. Hartl ’09 is dating a Chinese woman, and he says he doesn’t take the concept of the “Asian fetish” seriously.

But other non-Asian Harvard men have told Hartl that, on average, they are more attracted to Asian women than to women of other races.

Even so, he says, “if somebody says that he’s only attracted to Asian women, it’s not so much a fetish as a preference.”

"Kung Fu Fighter"


Interracial dating is more problematic for Asian men, says Edward Y. Lee ’08, who is Korean American.

Asian men do not typically date outside of their race because they are stereotypically viewed as “very un-masculine,” Lee says.

He points out that few Asian men play for American professional sports teams. And in movies, he says, Asian men still only play two roles: the kung fu fighter and the angry store owner. Asian women, in contrast, are portrayed as having increasingly varied and prominent roles, Lee says.

“It’s my goal to make the Asian man sexy again,” he jokes.

Data on interracial marriage suggests that few Korean-American men cross ethnic lines—at least at the altar.

While 24.3 percent of Korean-American women have white husbands, just 3.9 percent of Korean-American men have white wives, according to Le of UMass-Amherst. Fewer than 0.1 percent have African-American wives, according to Le.

Just as media portrayals in the U.S. may distort Asian-American masculinity, images of African-Americans abroad may make it less socially acceptable for Asian Americans to date African Americans.

In China, Jimmy Zhao says, “the only black people you’re going to see on TV are in rap videos or other negative images.” The result, he says, is that the immigrant parents of some Chinese Americans “make assumptions about [African Americans] as a people in general.”

Other Asian-American students agreed that older generations might be reticent about their children dating African Americans due in part to stereotypes about socioeconomic status.

“I think Asian-American parents more look at economic status, and they see black and Latino Americans as having a lower economic status than whites,” Quinnie Lin ’09 says. “Because a lot of these Asian parents come to this country with the goal of building a better life and getting ahead...they always strive for the best for their kids.”

The expectation can be that “ideally you would marry up, and by marry up, we mean marry white,” says Sherri Y. Geng ’09, who is Chinese American.

Beyond Color


Gayatri S. Datar ‘07, an Indian-American, also says that South Asian students usually face less family resistance if they date East Asians or Caucasians than if they date African Americans.

But, Datar stresses, religious tensions might weigh more heavily than racial stereotypes in their romantic choices.

“I’m sure that several Indian parents would much prefer their daughter to bring home a black guy than an Indian Muslim,” says Datar, who is Hindu.

Nationality can be a crucial issue when two nations have a history of conflict.

Deep tensions still linger between China and Japan, for instance, because of World War II. Geng, who is Chinese, says she might not pursue a serious relationship with a Japanese man because it would upset her grandfather.

“I feel like that would hurt him, so I’m going to refrain from doing it,” Geng says.

Susan Y. Yao ’09 says she understands the benefits of marrying someone who shares her cultural traditions and language—but thinks that is often an impractical goal. For instance, she would have to restrict her romantic options to fluent speakers of both Mandarin Chinese and Shanghainese, she says.

For Hartl, dating a Chinese woman means being one of the few whites at her Chinese Student Association gatherings. Being in the minority can sometimes be “awkward,” he says.

But in his Matthews Hall entryway, interracial relationships are par for the course. Four of his entryway-mates are also dating someone of another race, he says.

Biases about interracial dating can be changed, Jimmy Zhao says. After he told his parents he objected to their joke, they began to adjust the way they talked about interracial dating. Now, he says, they tell him often that it would be fine for him to date a girl of any race.

“Part of their change in attitude is genuine and part of their change is to cater to me, but I think that’s still a step in the right direction,” Zhao writes in an e-mail.

But, despite what they say, Zhao says he knows his parents still have reservations and preferences about his dating choices.

“For example, my parents absolutely expect my child to be able to speak Mandarin,” he writes. “But that’s something I would expect, too.”

Even when students are open to the option of interracial dating, many admit it isn’t easy.

Lee says his past interracial relationship was an “amazing experience.” At the same time, he added, “I think it was really hard to do.”
 
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Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by bwfish on Wednesday, July 26 @ 14:33:56 EDT
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So what's new? White men has the field. Asian women love White Cocks.



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by Seraphfire on Wednesday, July 26 @ 15:24:59 EDT
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And this is at Harvard...

I feel sorry for those Asians there who once again view other Asians with perpetual foreigner goggles. I can already hear the excuses for IR dating coming.

Susan Y. Yao ’09 can't seem to comprehend that there is an Asian American culture here that isn't required to speak their native languages fluently. There is no way in America to be as Chinese as Chinese are in China.

Sherri Y. Geng ’09 confuses Japanese with Japanese American to excuse her from dating Japanese anything. Too bad the author did not delve further and find that Chinese-Japanese marriages are the biggest component of contemporary Pan Asian American marriages.

Yep, keep em coming Harvard ladies. More excuses to not date Asian, what a surprise...



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by Seraphfire on Wednesday, July 26 @ 15:28:39 EDT
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Too bad the author focused on the native Asian side of IR dating and the parent's prejudices. Just another way to show how backward Asians are.

I would like for once, some article focus on the racism that bring people together in IR relationships. Or is she blinded like most people in believing IR is the epitomy of racial harmony. [Bullshit!]

P.S. Props to Zhao for educating his parents.



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by BLKAZNGIRL on Friday, July 28 @ 13:34:02 EDT
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Sad, but true that color is and can be a big issue for some. The gentleman that I've been seeing for the past few years is Chinese. When we go out, we do get the occassional stares. It does not bother us, in fact, most people are surprised that I speak Mandarin and can use chop sticks. Our attitude is, "If they don't like it, that's their problem."

Our families are ok with it. Grant it, that it's hard for some people to get pass the color. But once you do, you'll find that we have alot in common.



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by princessamy2000 on Saturday, July 29 @ 19:09:29 EDT
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good article, but doesn't talk about gender, family and it's role in the IR disparity, for example, many parents don't care if their daughters marry IR, but forbid their sons to date IR and if they do the parents try everything to stop it and gain more control over their son's lives. Happening to my guys cousins and a few family friends now.



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by dac on Tuesday, October 24 @ 02:32:57 EDT
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You guys should participate in the forum.
As many have said, one of the most influence factor that Asian females dates white men is the AmeriKKKa media.

In almost all movies, tv shows, commercials, etc. The white man is the savior, coming to save the local women from their local savage men.

You see ... via the white media. The white directors/producers/executives pimps out the minority women for the leading white man.

That's how insecure white men are.



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by kenny144 on Saturday, October 28 @ 13:41:10 EDT
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I have heard my family members say to ,don't you ever bring home a black are asian woman.they or dirty and nasty looking and smiling?

People most we not forget that the blacks and asian build AMERICA ! they build the railroads and highways !not us the white man! my gradefather and father told me that the reason we ask whites where put here because there is no other race smart enough to do anything? my grandfather had to have a heart transplant, the heart that he has now is from a blackman? my dad is now in a home and the people that take care of him or black !



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by Angel1 on Friday, November 17 @ 17:19:15 EST
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Hi I am an african American woman with a Korean boyfriend of 2 yrs. My boyfriend and I are both sucessful deisgners. I was raised around the world and even lived in korea for a short time in childhood. I have a Masters degree from NYU and work at a globally recognized frim. All this, and his parents still don't accept me. Upon meeting his mother she barely recognized my existence. We are still together dispite the disapproval but I can't help feeling alittle jaded about the meeting. It seems like no matter how educated and accomplished you are the only thing that matters to many Asian parents is the fact that you are black and black equals bad or something worthless. I treated as if my BF was dating me to rebel against his parents. He's 30 and this is not high school. Some members tried to speak to me teaching me how to use chopsticks eventhough I told and showed them that I knew how. But , I think it was the lack of understanding that someone black can be educated and cultured that is astounding.



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by curiousgeorge on Thursday, July 27 @ 17:12:20 EDT
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After reading this article, I feel that I have something to say. You may disagree. I'm not here to argue, only to voice my true feelings.

I'm a 1st-generation A-A. I tried to reconcile both cultures and am now in my college life able to talk to people as an Asian, and an American. Since I was young, I've always had problems adapting to my environment in Los Angeles. Though there were many Asians too, I always felt that there was no niche for me to fit in to, that I was too nerdy to be an "AZN gangsta", too socially inept to be a "twinkie", too obedient to be a "punk", so I ended up just being myself. And I think that that decision has made me very happy in the long run, bc by realizing the importance of individuality, I was able to be a brave, confident Asian male who learned to transcend race barriers and social limits in my life to the best of my ability.

BUT, I ask the question today of what it means: asian empowerment. It can mean to "invest with power", or "supply with an ability". Either way you look at it, the responsibility lies within ourselves. As AM, we were given many opportunities in America to succeed, by our loving parents, schools, and the system of law of this country. The only factor now is our own choices. I'm not going to tell anyone how to live, or what's right, but I do give my own experience. I discovered that the best choices are ones that benefit not only yourself, but the others around you, especially that you love. That is why I advocate empowerment through understanding and cultural respect (between ALL races), success through hard work and perseverance, not violence, and changing the world by personal change first.

As Asians, we are all bonded together culturally, and so we must not be ashamed of our culture and our upbringing, or become clones of American media, BUT we must learn to get along with society harmoniously, because, in the words of Lao Tzu, "He who obtains has little. He who scatters has much." If we were to "fight" Westerners, would that bring about empowerment, or fear? However, if we TEACH and LEARN from Westerners, then we are both becoming more tolerant and wiser. We must make the Asian culture accepted, not reject Western culture. We must create opportunities for Asians, not limit opportunities for others. We must enlighten the world's perception of Asians, not lower our own perception of the world. Like Sun Zi (Art of War), said, the greatest way to conquer your enemy is from within. And if we keep erecting barriers, then we can never reach what's important, the soul within.

Sorry for the longness. I hope to discuss my thoughts with everyone. Thx for reading. :)



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by Omega_Sage on Saturday, September 09 @ 01:27:00 EDT
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I don't know about all of you, but does anyone else have a problem with the use of the word "preference" to describe why someone likes Asian women? It makes them sound like ice cream flavors!

It also sounds racist.

By the way, I am new to this site.



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by curiousgeorge on Thursday, July 27 @ 17:33:31 EDT
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Oops, forgot something. After seeing so much discussion on IR, and AF/WM relationships, this is my take on it.

When in high school, I only dated AF. I repeat, I felt other races would reject my culture. Some AF's went on to date WM, and I felt resentment, until I realized, I could date other ppl too. Yea, it was hard, and my friends said, "You're a sellout. AF's aren't good enough, huh?" Until I said, "You know what? Call me a sellout, but I like girls." By this, I don't mean sex, I mean, I want to meet the girl of my dreams, and I didn't want race to restrict my search. Now, it took courage, and I was criticized by many AA and non-A friends. Their idea was that IR dating shows insecurity about your own race, and disloyalty. But then I wondered, what about the corrupt govt. of Korea and China, what about the child and bride trade that goes on in Asia?

Does loyalty depend on how you truly better the status of your race in this world, or by the appearance you have? When I date girls of other races, helping to perpetuate an understanding of AM's as being open, confident, and willing to share my culture, am I being a traitor, compared to General Mao, who killed hundred thousands of his own ppl during the cultural revolution? Yet we claim that heroes all come from bloodshed.

The only thing I'm trying to say is that true empowerment comes from results. When the day comes that YOU, the descendant of the dragon, can say, "I'm proud to be Asian. And I'd like to tell the world about my culture. I'll go out there into politics and make a change in this world, and persevere in the face of racism, I'll interact with ppl of all races and let them know that Asians are wonderful ppl too, I'll be an individual and not a trend-follower, and most importantly, I'll make myself proud." then you will have helped Asian empowerment. Bc, in the end, the only person that can achieve your dreams and find you happiness, is you. So, be a proud AA, but before that, before all else, be YOURSELF. Not in the cliche way, by this I mean to follow your passions in life, the career of your dreams, to not be afraid to take risks and go to new environments (Afirca, Germany, heck Mars!) in order to be the best person you can. And if every person do this, not only is it AA empowerment, it will harmonize the world...

There's a very good website promoting individuality, "onehumanrace.com".



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by chymali on Thursday, February 22 @ 01:23:26 EST
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A lot of you aren't getting it.

It doesn't matter if they're Japanese, or Japanese American. They're still Japanese. And for some of you, that may mean nothing. But when your grandparents have experienced pain inflicted by the Japanese firsthand, it's different. It no longer matters to them if they're Japanese, or Japanese American.

Think of it this way, if a tiger ate your mother, you probably would hate all tigers unless you're a very extremely open minded person. Even if you have forgiven the tiger, you'll still be hesitant towards the tiger, and the rest of your family may not have forgiven the tiger. Therefore, if the tiger was starving, you probably wouldn't feed it.

I don't know if that made sense or not, but a lot of you have to understand that Asians have a different culture. It's different. Simple as that.



Re: Color Line Cuts Through the Heart (Score: 1)
by misticgirl on Thursday, June 07 @ 15:06:40 EDT
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Asian people are the most racist people I know it is funny that they themselves are racist after being treated so horribly. They look at African Americans in the way they should look at White America. Why are they so backward? I will tell you why. Most Asians come to this country with three things on their mind blonde hair,blue eyes and money. The majority of Asians seek power and they see that in White America. It was not black america that trumpled their cities,killing everyone and damaging everything that stood in their path; No..It was the white man and to some minds that is considered a great amount of POWER. America the great has won so many battles, and being the richest who would not see that as attractive. African Americans are not above their level when it comes to POWER but on their level and it is like looking in a mirror, some people hate looking at themselves. So the truth of why Asians love their old enemies more than those who are not is simple: MONEY AND POWER and for some the odd colors of the hair and eyes that seem to stand out more than dark skin and dark brown/black eyes
What I have learned is that most asians will look down on you because of your skin color, not caring to not judge a book by its cover. Not caring about the fact that I have asian ancestry because if I LOOK black i am black. Hey guess what!?! I might be your relative!!
If we all took the time to figure ourselves out we could find what true love is. Skin color and what you think a persons ethnicity is should not matter because in the end we all figure out that what once mattered so much means little to nothing now. You learn that love can come in all shades, even your ancestors's ancestors knew that. I advise you all to delve deep within yourself to find out who you truely are and what purpose in life you are meant to serve.
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