Temporary Disabled. :) please Go back Dhimmi Watch: Bat Ye'or: Europe and the Ambiguities of Multiculturalism www.fgks.org » Address: [go: up one dir, main page] Include Form Remove Scripts Accept Cookies Show Images Show Referer Rotate13 Base64 Strip Meta Strip Title Session Cookies FrontPageMag.com By Robert Spencer By Hugh Fitzgerald Books Jihad Watch Islam 101 Qur'an Blog Raymond Ibrahim Robert Spencer « U2 rocker campaigns for Gitmo jihadist | Main | Fitzgerald: Let Gaza be Gaza » November 8, 2006 Bat Ye'or: Europe and the Ambiguities of Multiculturalism Here is an address given by Bat Ye'or, the pioneering scholar of dhimmitude, at Paul Gerhardt Church in Munich, Germany, at Christian Solidarity International's 29th Annual Meeting, which was held from November 2 to November 4, 2006. Ladies and Gentlemen It is for me a great honour to be invited by CSI, an organization that has been so active on so many humanitarian fronts in order to denounce slavery, war crimes and genocide, and to alleviate human suffering. And I am thinking particularly of its struggle on behalf of human rights and dignity in Sudan since 1992, and CSI’s freeing over 80.000 Christian and other Sudanese slaves under the leadership of John Eibner and Gunnar Wielback. The globalization of our world and the policies that have led to large-scale Muslim immigration, adopted by the European Community from 1973, has introduced into Europe conflictual situations and prejudices common in the Muslim world against non-Muslims that have been documented by Orientalists familiar with Islamic theology, law and history. But the politization of history initiated by Edward Said has obfuscated the root causes of Islam’s traditional hostility toward Jews and Christians from the seven century onward. Edward Said was a Christian raised in Egypt and educated in America; he taught English literature at Columbia University. A great admirer of Arafat and a member of the PLO’s top Committee, he endeavored to destroy the whole scientific accumulation of Orientalist knowledge of Islam and replace it with a culture of Western guilt and inferiority toward Muslims victims. The obliteration of the historical truth that he constantly pursued from 1978 – starting with his book Orientalism – as well as his hostility to Israel, has prevented an understanding and the resolution of problems that today assail Europe and challenge its own survival. I will examine the relations between Islam and Christianity, Islam and Judaism, Judaism and Christianity and the tensions created by a Muslim immigration into a European Judeo-Christian civilization. I will speak of those issues in that order. In the relationship between Islam and Christianity, we can examine both the theological and the political levels. The theological pillars of Islam are: the Koran which is Muhammad’s revelation; the Hadiths, a compilation of his acts and sayings which have a theological and normative value; and the early biographies written about him. According to these three sources, Islam sees itself as the primal and sole true religion. Islam is the pure religion of Adam and has preceded all others. The Koran uses biblical names like Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus and others but they represent different people than those in the Bible – and all are considered to have been Muslim prophets who preached Islam. Jesus is also a Muslim prophet called Isa, endowed with a different life; he brought a book: the Gospel, in which he preached Islam. We have, in fact, a Jesus named Isa, a Muslim prophet, and Yeshua, the Jewish Jesus, “born in Bethlehem of Judea” (Matthew 2:1). According to several hadiths, Isa has a mission: at the end of time he will return to destroy Christianity and impose Islam as the sole religion over the whole world. These hadiths, often quoted in sermons, speak of him killing the pig, breaking the cross – which means destroying Christianity – and the hadiths continue: he will suppress the jizya or poll-tax and the booty will be boundless. The suppression of the jizya refers to the suppressions of all religion other than Islam. In the Islamic optic, what is Christianity? Christianity is a falsification of Islam and of the true message of Isa, which is the same as that revealed to Muhammad: Islam. It follows that a good Christian is a Muslim. True Christianity is therefore Islam. And what about Muslim-Jewish relations? They are more complex but they follow the same pattern. When Muhammad emigrated from Mecca to Medina, he found there large Jewish tribes well organized with their synagogues and scholars. On their festive days they assembled and studied the Bible. Pagan Arabs were jealous and complained that they were illiterate and ignorant and didn’t have a book like the Jews and the Christians. Hence, Muhammad proclaimed himself to be the prophet whom the Jews were awaiting, an Arab prophet sent with a revelation in Arabic given by Gabriel, which was the same as that revealed to the Jews and Christians. The discrepancies between the Koran and the Bible were noticed by the Jews. Muhammad answered by accusing the Jews of hiding the truth and by saying that their Bible was a later falsification of the Islamic revelation given to the Muslim prophets: Abraham, Jacobs, Moses, and all the others. The true Bible was the Koran. Since Jewish objections hampered his predication, Muhammad decided to get rid of the Jews of Medina. Some were expelled and their belongings confiscated and shared among Muhammad and his followers; others – from 600 to 900 males, according to Muslim sources – were beheaded and their wives and children enslaved. This is the origin of Islamic hatred and accusations against Jews. Muhammad’s various decisions against the Jews in Arabia also set the theological jihadic laws against Christians and other non-Muslims. Muslim law gives to Jews and Christians the same legal status. That means that, in Islam, Jews and Christians are treated identically as “the People of the Book” (ahl al-khitab). Christians, whatever their efforts to dissociate themselves from Jews or from Israel, are put into the same category of the Jews by Islamic law. In short: Jews and Christians are left with what? The true Bible is the Koran, the Holy Scriptures of Jews and Christians are just falsifications, and all the biblical figures are Muslim prophets who preached Islam. In practice, what are the consequences? 1) Biblical narrative in the Holy Land is Muslim history, and Jews and Christians had no history there as they came after Islam. Their history and their sacred scriptures are in the Koran. This motivates Muslim opposition to the legitimacy of the State of Israel. The Bible is considered a travesty of Muslim history. 2) Because Judaism and Christianity originate from one unique trunk, which is Islam, these two religions are unrelated. It is false to assert that Christianity unfolded from Judaism. This is why the Islamized Churches in the Muslim world have developed a kind of Marcionism, abandoning the Jewish Jesus in order to link Christianity to the Palestinian Arab Muslim Isa. This trend which originated in the Palestinian and Arab Churches (Sabeel Centre in Bethlehem) is growing in Europe, supported by the antisemitic/anti-Zionist wave created by Palestinianism. Palestinianism is the new European salvific theology created to help the Arabs destroy Israel, but which in fact is eating away at the roots of Christianity. Palestinianism teaches that if justice is granted to the Palestinians, suddenly the global jihad and the persecution of Christians in Muslim lands will disappear. “Justice for the Palestinians” in reality means the elimination of Israel. This elimination will bring peace to the world. Since 1973, this has become a joint Euro-Arab policy. The cultural and media war to delegitimize Israel accredits also the Muslim belief that Jews and, therefore, Christians have no historical roots in the Holy Land. Another consequence of Muslim replacement theology is that when we speak of Judeo-Christian values, we are in fact referring to Muslim values. And when we refer to biblical narratives and figures, or to their iconography, we offend Muslims because they do not fit in the koranic model. Now let us see the political context. Since Muhammad was a prophet, a legislator and a war leader, legislation and politics are united in the service of the religious expansion and domination of Islam. The ultimate goal is to impose Islamic rule over the whole world. In this perspective, Muslim political doctrine divides the world into two eternal enemies: the land of Islam (dar al-Islam) and the land of war (dar al-harb) inhabited by the infidels which must – in the end – be conquered by Islam. Between them no peace is possible, but only temporary truces in case Muslims are too weak to conquer them. This is the doctrine of jihad which is a comprehensive legal system of war based on theology that regulates every aspect of Muslim behaviour toward non-Muslims. Jihad is a religious duty incumbent on Muslims, individually and collectively, and this is preached regularly by imams in sermons worlwide. Jihad covers several fields: military actions, terrorism, abductions, ransoming, enslavement, and armistice conditions, the jihad by the pen – that is to say, propaganda – and the jihad of the hearts, which means corruption. Jihad has been waged for thirteen centuries against non-Muslims and huge geographical areas have been conquered and their population subdued, enslaved, deported or massacred. The non-Muslim population targeted by jihad is given a choice: conversion to Islam or the payment of a ransom to the Muslim authority and recognition of its sovereignty. If they refuse both they will face war. After a land has been conquered and its population accepts to submit and pay a tribute for its security this population becomes a dhimmi people. It is “protected” by a pact of submission, called the dhimma. Protected from what? From the jihad onslaught. Non-Muslims dhimmis are protected only as long as they pay the tribute, which is a poll-tax, and submit to oppressive and discriminatory shari’a regulations. Islamic law covers the rights and obligations of dhimmis in great details. This has been the subject of my research. I call dhimmitude the Islamic system of governing the non-Muslim peoples subjected by jihad. This system is linked to jihad and like jihad it is a theological, political and legal institution. Dhimmitude is, in fact, the peaceful continuation of jihad because it is dhimmitude that destroyed the massive non-Muslim majorities that were conquered. It is my opinion that we are now living in a period of reactivated jihad and dhimmitude. Those of you who have laboured in South Sudan and Darfur and have seen the atrocities there will recognize these legal tactics of jihad described in my books or in any Muslim texts on jihad. What is happening in Iraq evokes the events in the 8th century described in Mesopotamia by the Christian Syriac cleric Pseudo-Dyonisos of Tell Mahre, quoted in my study on The Decline of Eastern Christianity which is available here in a German edition. These events are confirmed at that same period by Armenian chronicles and by Egyptian priests describing Muslim internal feuds and atrocities in Egypt against dhimmis, or by Jews in Palestine, and with the passing centuries the chronicle of the Jacobite Patriarch of Antioche (in Syria), Michael the Syrian, that covers a period till the end of the 12 century. We have countless accounts on the devastation by the Arabs and Turks in Anatolia, in the Balkans, and all along the European Mediterranean coasts and islands. Today, as in the past, jihadist terror is waged not only against Israel, Judaism, but also against the West, that is Christianity. Beheading the enemies of Islam, like the prophet did when he set a sacred model by beheading the Jews who refused to convert – was repeatedly done by jihadists during all the jihad conquests of Christian lands. Abducting infidels for ransom fills up countless historical accounts. Suppressing by terror all criticism by infidels of the Muslim religion or policy is mandated in the land of dhimmitude. Jihad and dhimmitude are the two forces that have eliminated the indigenous non-Muslim populations from their Islamized homeland. Jihad today is displayed in all its traditional manifestations: military and economic warfare, terror, abductions, corruption for the control of the Western media, the universities and public opinion. Dhimmitude is applied now against non Muslims – mainly Christians – in most Muslim countries. Shari’a laws or laws inspired by shari’a discriminate against non-Muslims, mainly Christians, the Jews having fled or been expelled. Now it is the Christians – in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and elsewhere – who are leaving because in Islam anti-Jewish hate is always connected to anti-Christian hate and vice-versa as it grows from the same source. Hence, anti-Zionist European policies adopted in order to protect Europe and local Christians from Islamism is useless. Why have we regressed to a situation all too common throughout history till the 19th century and in some countries, the 20th? It is my opinion that 1973 was the fatidic date when political decisions were made that would lead Europe along the path to dhimmitude. It was the period – after the Kippur War – when European independent states, threatened with PLO terrorism and an Arab oil boycott, accepted to submit and adapt their foreign policies to Arab and Palestinian political demands. This is when the European Palestinian appeasement policy began. Europe helped spread the new death cult: Palestinianism, which is the sacralisation and legitimisation of the jihad against Israel. For decades Europeans have been conditioned by Euro-Arab Palestinian propaganda and Israel’s demonisation. To achieve this end a whole culture of denial of historic jihad and dhimmitude has been conceived and propagated throughout Europe. The responsibility for terror and war was deliberately shifted from the jihad ideology to Israel’s right of existence. Palestinianism is just the modern continuation against the Jews of the jihad onslaught waged against Christianity for over a millennium. By justifying the Palestinian jihad against Israel, Europe entered into a suicidal dynamic. The repudiation of Israel’s historical legitimacy and its replacement by a jihadist world order with its own Islamic conception of justice denies Europe’s own sovereignty and legitimacy. In the Islamic context, Palestinians incarnate jihadist ideology against infidels and Muslim replacement theology; whereas, in fact, Israel represents the liberation of the Jewish people from the yoke of dhimmitude. For decades the European Union has provided the Palestinians with the intellectual, cultural and media ammunitions against Israel. It was Arafat, the subsidised “mignon” of Europe, who invented modern international terrorism – including air piracy against Israel in 1968 – and created a culture of hate and a policy of chaos since September 2000 that have now become global. Europe’s alliance with the Palestinians and the Arab world against Israel and America was based on its own denial of jihad ideology. Because of this denial Europe encourage a large-scale Muslim immigration for economic and strategic interests. This is why Europe is today deeply submerged by an anti-American and anti-Zionist culture. For Christians, Israel is central in this context, because jihad is waged in the name of Islamic replacement theology, whereby Isa replaces Yeshua or Jesus, and the Koran replaces the Gospel. Christians are linked to the Jews by the Bible. If Christians want to break from this bond, they will have to forego the First Testament, including the Ten Commandments, the Prophets, and the Psalms and somehow, link the Gospel to the Palestinian Muslim Isa of the Koran. This is the challenge that Christians are facing now. And this is the spiritual meaning of Israel for Christians now: either Christians will resist or they will convert and Europe will become one more Islamized Christian territory. The jihad against Israel is also a war against the Christian world. It is my opinion that Europe has become the new land of dhimmitude and I will explain why. I have described in Eurabia, my last book, the causes that have triggered the dhimmitude of Europe. I will not develop this theme now but I will explain why politically and intellectually we have become dhimmis. We accept to have our life continuously disturbed and threatened by the global jihad. From the moment the European Community, instead of fighting terror, submitted to the Palestinian threats, it lost the control over its own security. European policy with the Palestinians is a total failure because it was deliberately based on false assumptions and the denial that the PLO’s war against Israel was a jihad. Europe gave an unconditional support for Arafat, and paid billions of euros without any control to the Palestinian Authority. The result of European’s unilateral solicitude for the Palestinians has resulted in the election of Hamas, a terrorist jihadist movement. Europeans behave like dhimmis who have to pay tribute money for their security and the development of Muslim economies without even being thanked. Massive Muslim immigration, linked with the 56 Muslim countries weighs heavily on European policy. We have seen it during the Danish Cartoons Affair. According to Islamic law, dhimmis cannot criticise the Prophet or say that Islamic law has a defect without risking death. Hence, the Islamic blasphemy laws – even at the United Nations – have been imposed on us, and particularly on the Western media. The Islamists control the foreign, domestic and security policy of Europe through terror, the ongoing intifadas in France and the policy of chaos in the suburbs, jihadist-martyrdom bombings in Spain and England and persistent threats everywhere. It is such threats that keep the level of anti-Americanism and the hate against Israel so high in Europe. The European policy of symbiosis with the Arab-Muslim world which I have described in Eurabia has set up a vast Euro-Arab demographic, political, economic and cultural zone encompassing immigration and multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is a crucial dimension of the Euro-Arab strategic alliance. Since 1975 the texts of Euro-Arab meetings and of the EU require the establishment of cultural and political Muslim centres in European cities. The problem is that Muslims and Europeans have contradictory views on their common history. Europeans consider jihad a barbarous war causing huge massacres and enslavement, while for Muslims jihad represents a peaceful progression of Islam. Dhimmitude is a dehumanizing system, but for Muslims it is a generous tolerance offered to non-Muslims. In order to accommodate the Muslims and their integration in Europe, European leaders have promoted the Islamic view of history. Therefore, they have justified and lauded the tolerance of dhimmitude, as for instance the Andalusian myth. For this reason, Europeans ignore totally what is jihad and what is dhimmitude. While we are currently living a period of jihad, and while Europeans are already conditioned to dhimmitude, they do not realise it because the historical framework has been obfuscated. Cultural jihad with its antisemitic, anti-American and anti-Western characteristics develops within the context of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism thus becomes the instrument for the subversion of Western thought, aimed at imposing Islamic historical and theological thinking such as the justification of Islamist terrorism – based on the Muslim self-perception of victimhood. The erroneous affirmation that it was Islamic culture that has triggered European civilization in medieval period, is an attempt to prove Islam historical, cultural and demographical legitimacy in Europe, and consequently the implementation of shari’a principles today. It also affirms Islam cultural superiority over the West. To conclude: There has been several interfaith dialogues but with poor results. Europe has paid billions to Muslim countries worldwide but the culture of jihad is flowering in spite of Europe’s appeasement policy. Palestinianism which is a replacement theology was the tool that led to Europe’s Islamisation and dhimmitude. By joining the Muslim jihad against Israel, the Christian West has obfuscated its own history, and now faced with a global jihad it is unable to assess correctly the situation and defend itself. Israel represents the liberation of man from dhimmitude, whereas Palestinianism represents jihad and dhimmitude ideology based on replacement theology. Europe, enslaved by Palestinianism, has chosen servitude instead of freedom. If we want peace to prevail, the Muslim world must abandon the jihadist ideology, it must recognise Jews and Christians as different and not see them as apostate Muslims. And this must start with Muslim recognition of the legitimacy of Israel, because jihad started against the Jews and it can only end with the rehabilitation of the Jews and Israel, which will bring the rehabilitation of all non-Muslims. We can achieve it if we speak the truth, if we teach in our schools and universities jihad and dhimmitude. Then, masses of peaceful Muslims, liberated from the jihadist ideology of hate, will join us to build together peace. But we cannot help them if, ourselves, we are doomed in dhimmitude. Bat Ye’or, born in Egypt, is a pioneer researcher on ‘dhimmitude’ and ‘Eurabia’. Her four major books translated from French into English are: The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians under Islam, (1985); The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude, (1996), German edition: Der Niedergang des Orientalischen Christentums unter dem Islam, (2002); Islam and dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide (2002), and Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis, (2005). German translation in preparation. Posted by Robert at November 8, 2006 8:31 AM Print this entry | Email this entry | Digg this | del.icio.us Comments(Note: The Comments section is provided in the interests of free speech only. It is mostly unmoderated, but comments that are off-topic, offensive, slanderous, or otherwise annoying stand a chance of being deleted. The fact that any comment remains on the site IN NO WAY constitutes an endorsement by Jihad Watch or Dhimmi Watch, or by Robert Spencer or any other Jihad Watch or Dhimmi Watch writer, of any view expressed, fact alleged, or link provided in that comment.) What a brilliant speech, if only our politicians would listen to this with an open mind. Posted by: Daffersd at November 8, 2006 8:45 AM That's really powerful. Thank you. Posted by: Josephine at November 8, 2006 8:59 AM I LOVE Bat Ye'or! A voice crying in the wilderness with such clarity of thought. Despised by the wicked for she exposes the reality of their evil ways: truth drips from her lips. Posted by: Tziona at November 8, 2006 9:23 AM Bat Ye'or needs to be required reading for All policy makers in the West. I hope she keeps on writing books. She and Robert Spencer should tour together as the Dynamic Duo-opening the eyes of a commatose West. Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 8, 2006 9:58 AM Just today [11-8-06] the EU foreign policy establishment called the Beyt Hanun incident: "horrifying." The EU never used such strong language against the Arab shooting of rockets at Israeli population centers, particularly S'derot. As far as I recall, the EU never used such strong language against any of the Arab mass murder bombings against Israeli civilians. The EU's hypocrisy is revolting. What the EU said today confirms Bat Yeor's theory. Posted by: Eliyahu at November 8, 2006 10:09 AM Multicultural news from Britain today. The Muslim murderers of white school boy Kriss Donald all got life sentences in court today. Kriss was abducted from the street and tortured and murdered (burnt alive at the end) by adult Pakistani Muslim men because he was white: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006520031,00.html Posted by: EnglishBlondie at November 8, 2006 10:11 AM Tsiyona, thanks for reminding me of the rabbinic saying: Those who are merciful to the cruel end up by being cruel to the merciful. Posted by: Eliyahu at November 8, 2006 10:11 AM Amazing clarity and insight. I have printed copies of this to insert in my books by Bat Ye'or (which I often lend out) and mailed it out to everyone in my e-address book. Thank you for posting this. Posted by: miira at November 8, 2006 10:24 AM We who read this site all know this, but precious few other Americans do. In fact, the same process which allowed Europe to fall has already taken place in blue state America. Believe me, I know, having grown up in Berkeley. That Israel is the root of all evil is the view of most people in the SF Bay Area. Even Jews, such as my own parents, are convinced of this. They give money to Palestinian "charities". I fear that when we get the full Democratic sweep in 2008, that the Jihad propagandists will have free reign pursue their agendas (above and beyond what they already do) in US schools, universities, in the media, in libraries, and in the political arena. Posted by: sonomaca at November 8, 2006 10:50 AM sonomaca et al, Looks like with Dhimmi Pelosi as speaker of the house controlling the purse strings, the Islamiscits will have little opposition to invade via Mexico and infiltrate. Israel is in definate danger now...Pelosi comes from the Israel hating capitol of the USA. Us Islamophobes need to get loud, very loud. It's really the only thing we can do now. Posted by: never_submit at November 8, 2006 11:31 AM Bat Ye'or said: "[Edward Said]...endeavored to destroy the whole scientific accumulation of Orientalist knowledge of Islam and replace it with a culture of Western guilt and inferiority toward Muslims victims." This makes it sound like Said alone was "endeavoring" to do this. But Said was merely doing late spadework after all the groundwork had been laid by our own self-hating PC Westerners. Without the latter, Said could not have done what he did, and would not have had the positive reception he had. Posted by: remote_control at November 8, 2006 12:02 PM We come back to the fundamental point that so many try to ignore: Jesus was a Jew and so was Paul, and what became Christianity is a branch of Judaism drawing on so much of The Old Testament without which The New Testament is meaningless. The Western Church has tried to use The New Testament as a standalone Bible uncoupled from the God of Abraham and Moses.............Muslims fear this link to the one true God because it exposes their politico-religion as bogus Posted by: Voyager at November 8, 2006 12:56 PM One other point regarding my disturbing youthful years in Berkeley: I believe that I have a somewhat unique perspective in that I have inside information about leftist thought and also about how conservatives view the left. Most conservatives believe that left and right share the same goals, namely freedom and democracy. Well, yes and no. The problem is that left and right do not understand these ideas in the same way. From the left's perspective, democracy as is practiced traditionally in the US benefits only the powerful and so is, in and of itself, inherently undemocratic. Freedom, likewise, is understood as a mere license to abuse others. In order to create true freedom and democracy, therefore, it is necessary to ELIMINATE or SEVERELY RESTRICT freedom and democracy as we on the right understand these concepts. So, what is my point in all of this? Well, if we understand this divergence of thought, we also understand why the left prefers communism or Islamism, for example, to our own political system. These are seen as better able to achieve the left's version of freedom and democracy. The structure, methods, rules, and mores of these other systems are of no consequence. What is important is the end result. That is why those on the left are able to praise Hezbollah, Hamas, Chavez, Ahmedinijad, and pretty much any other custodian of alternate political systems who purport to speak for those "oppressed" by Western freedom and democracy. The larger point here is that the left, and again I speak from personal experience here, covertly seeks to destroy the very democracy and freedom they pretend to embrace. Posted by: sonomaca at November 8, 2006 2:22 PM Sonomaca--Your posts remind me of an interesting 1952 book by Jacob L. Talmon titled, "Totalitarian Democracy" in which Talmon looked at the ideas of the French Revolution and Rousseau and posited a collectivist, top-down situation in which people on the Left, believing they know what is best for the masses, "force people to be free" as they define freedom. Since the goal is so worthwhile, any means necessary can be legitimately used--someone or something stands in the way of attaining "freedom"--its gone, because the goal is so worthwhile for "the people"; people who, if they were as highly educated and perceptive as the Leftists, would agree. Those people shortsighted enough to want to go their own way, who object to being "free" must be coerced or eliminated so as not to obstruct progress towards the grand goal. Posted by: GaryK at November 8, 2006 3:13 PM Exactly Gary. Regarding Pelosi: if I want the extreme left perspective on any issue, I simply ask my mom what she thinks about it. The far-leftists in Northern California consider Pelosi to be hopelessly CONSERVATIVE and anti-progressive (In their view, Feinstein might as well be Reagan). Lynn Woolsey, member of Congress from Sonoma County, on the other hand, that's someone that they can work with. I would characterize her as part of the anti-democratic left. Posted by: sonomaca at November 8, 2006 3:53 PM Three resounding cheers for Bat Ye'or, this is a sweeping overview, covering some notable breadth and depth, and well measured and beautifully done throughout. Posted by: Michael_B at November 8, 2006 4:05 PM Again, I am favorably impressed by Bat Ye'or. Her recognition that the de-Judaizing of Jesus found among Islamized churches from the Middle East and now in Europe is similar to ancient Marcionism shows she's done her homework in Christian historical theology. However, she would have been wiser to take a long, hard look at theological liberalism, and it foundations in the higher criticism of the Scriptures. Although anti-Semitism is often linked to Christian "fundamentalism", the anti-Scriptural theological liberalism of late 19th century and early 20th century Germany had much to do with the "Christian anti-Semitism" so greatly decried in the post-WWII era. Unfortunately, that same criticism of "Christian anti-Semitism", however, failed to cast a critical eye on the biblical critics. After all, you cannot read the first page of the New Testament literally and believe in an Aryan Jesus at the same time. And, isn't it strange that Christian "fundamentalism" has always thought that the Old Testament needs to be devoutly and respectfully read? The idea that it is somehow a "corruption" that needs to be jettisoned is quite foreign to it. Yes, indeed. Christianity and Judaism argue over whether the Messiah has come or not; and to do so, they both need to defend themselves from the same book. The fact that all sects of Judaism and Christianity canonize the same books of Moses, Prophetes, and Hagiographa and recognize this collection as the same book has, for me, always made Islamic (and secularist) claims that the Scriptures were falsified ring very, very hollow. Moral for Christians: don't read your Bible with the enemy's eyes. Posted by: Kepha at November 8, 2006 4:12 PM EnglishBlondie said: The Muslim murderers of white school boy Kriss Donald all got life sentences in court today. Kriss was abducted from the street and tortured and murdered (burnt alive at the end) by adult Pakistani Muslim men because he was whiteIt's true the article you linked to refers to the crime as "racial," but would you agree, EnglishBlondie, that that is the cowardly Euro-euphemism for referring to conflicts involving Muslims? The Euro-media does this in subservience to Muslim threats, open or veiled. Muslims often promote the lie that objections to their totalitarian religion are "racial." The Muslims know that racism is a cardinal sin in the West. But Islam is not a race. It is a belief system that includes the ninth chapter of the Qur'an, a chapter that clearly advocates violence against non-Muslims. Unfortunately, the ninth chapter is also considered by large numbers of Muslim clerics and scholars to be the last chapter dictated by Muhammad, and thus Allah's final word about questions of violence and mercy. It is the only one of the Qur'an's 114 chapters that does not begin with the Bismillah: "In the name of God, the compassionate, the merciful." It is the chapter containing the famous "verse of the sword." There are many other sources in the Qur'an and Hadith and Sira for violence against non-Muslims, but chapter 9, as Gabriel/Muhammad's last word, is notable. If the 15-year old white school boy who was grabbed off the street, driven to a remote spot, stabbed, and burned alive, had been Muslim, the killers would not have hurt him. They didn't kill him because of his skin color. The news photo shows that the Muslim killers are only a slight shade darker than their victim was. This is not about race, and we shouldn't wear the "racial" goggles strapped on the cowardly media by Islamic culture. The latter produces numerous death threats against any journalist critical of Islam, and every so often Muslims make good on the threats. No wonder people refer to "race" instead of to Islam. And if the thugs don't succeed in silencing critics, then lawsuits and PC laws made by dhimmi politicians will go a long way to shutting them up. The article says one of the convicted killers will spend 22 years in jail and be released, and the others would be considered for parole after 22 or 23 years. The killers are in their late twenties. Posted by: traeh at November 8, 2006 4:56 PM Bat Ye’or has said it all. She now needs to investigate other avenues for a successful outcome for our side. By this I mean what can we actually do? For exam0ple Eliyahu rightfull complains about the one-sidedness of the EU in their policies and their statements re. the ME. What can a German citizen do except to let Eliyahu know they do now speak for me? Whom can I vote for that won't take this dangerous anad I am afraid to say - antisemitic - tack? The answer is noone. Orientalism has indeed undermined our democracies. Ego, other strategies must be developed. I keep repeating myself.. Israel MUST play the game better from now on. save us from ourselves. Apply to join the EU and encourage Serbia to do the same. I am sure that will trow a huge moneky wrench into the plans of the Arabists and the Islamists.. at least it will slow them down while we regroup and collect our breath. Posted by: germaninamerica at November 8, 2006 4:59 PM Israel had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to take down Hezbollah this summer. It would have required full national mobilization, as we now know that Hezbollah is no paper tiger. Clearly, Israel should have also used the opportunity to destroy the Baathist government in Syria. However, Israel was not ready or willing to do so. As time passes, I can tell you that leftist and media propaganda in the US will gradually wear down American support for Israel. If we get a President Clinton or Edwards, along with a full Democratic House, Israel will find it more and more difficult to defend itself with American support. Already, we have seen Condi Rice shed tears for the Palestinians. I can tell you that the "realists" now in charge of US foreign and defense policy will eagerly trade Israel in exchange for peace in Iraq and an end to Iranian nukes. I fear for Israel's long-term prospects, given what is happening here in the US. Posted by: sonomaca at November 8, 2006 5:33 PM Austrian multiculturalism: "These people are part of our society and not some kind of foreign body.'' Ummah News Links Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 8, 2006 6:46 PM English Blondie and others... Here is a link to a picture of one of the defendents entering court, and it shows what he thinks of Western (civilized) Law... www.expressen.se/ego/c_6/index.jsp?a=746109 Hope I typed that right! Posted by: SCV at November 8, 2006 7:49 PM More multiculturalism: Bridges TV picked up as a free service Ummah News Links Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 8, 2006 7:51 PM Make that: http://www.expressen.se/ego/c_6/index.jsp?a=746109 Posted by: SCV at November 8, 2006 7:51 PM On CBC Radio tonight, a host of "As It Happens" referred to the terrorist women's swarming at the mosque in Beyt Hanun as a "woman's protest". The Israeli government spokesman politely but firmly corrected her and described what actually happened. Yesterday, "As It Happens" interviewed, for at least the second time, one of the women who participated in the "woman's protest". Last night, the woman said a family member had been killed and that her house had been targeted by the IDF because of her participation in the "protest". Actually, the interviewer prompted her to say this. The interviewer said something like this (in her very sympathetic voice), "Do you believe your home was targeted because you took part in the..." There was a pause, and then the woman said yes. (In her mind, she was thinking, hey, I hadn't thought of that one! Thanks!) At the end of the interview with this female terrorist, the interviewer promised to speak to her again. The interviewer oozed sympathy the whole time. (Barf.) Tonight, the interviewer asked the Israeli government representative if, in fact, they had targeted this woman's home. The Israeli representative said he didn't have any information about that. Posted by: Josephine at November 8, 2006 8:27 PM Is Vladimir Zhirinovsky posting here now under the name of Novy Mir? Not too peaceful or new... Posted by: Galloglass at November 8, 2006 10:07 PM Plain speaking .... like an oasis in the desert. Posted by: Infidel33 at November 8, 2006 10:28 PM Bat Ye'or's meticulous analysis is amazing. Her focus on the central role of Palestinianism constraining Europe in dhimmitude is right on. My feeling is that outside of readers here and similar sites, Europeans and Americans alike have for the most part never even heard of dhimmitude, and Europeans do not even know that they are almost in that status now. Bat Ye'Or asserts that they are already, but I think if they knew what is going on and is about to happen to them shortly with full dhimmitude, the basic human instinct for survival might kick in. If it does not, Europe is not alone in being doomed. Without freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and with the Leftist EU elites who have sold them out to Islam, Europeans are being taken down the primrose path to ultimate total servitude without their knowledge. They need to understand what dhimmi status will mean for them, their children, and grandchildren. Those who are not completely drugged out, if armed with this knowledge, might very well do a Ukrainian-style revolt and overthrow the elites, the EU, and send the Muzzies home. America has this problem too but at the moment it is not as serious as it is in Europe. The fog of secularism, multiculturalism, etc., have stripped Europeans of their ability to reason between right and wrong. We need to get the word out in every language, in every country. With a press that is totally dhimmi already, underground presses outside the law are needed to pamphletize Europeans and get them informed. This also goes for underground radio, which was important during WWII and the cold war for getting the truth out. When the Europeans get back in control of their continent, their individual countries, they should offer the Muslims their own dhimmi status with a inversely progressive jizza - higher rates the bigger the family. This will help them opt to leave. Posted by: Jimmy Bones at November 9, 2006 12:35 AM The word was not used at that time. The word meant "Judean" when it was introduced into the Bible relatively recently. It did not signify a "religion" or sect. The dominant sect of religious organization in Judea during Jesus's time were the Pharisees, they were Talmudists. Well New-World you can drop the Russian bit and try persuade us Jesus was a Baptist.............the Talmud was not written until the decades following the destruction of The Temple in AD 70..............you may recognise that Anno Domini suggests it was after the birth of Christ and since he did not leave us aged 70 it was long before the destruction of The Temple that he died. Many people do believe the word "Jew" originated from "Judah" but so what, it was a religion ever since God make a Covenant with Moses if not earlier. I am well aware of The Pharisees and you should recall that the destruction of the Temple destroyed the power base of The Sadduccees.........anyone who believed in Resurrection or Angels was by definition more in line with Pharisees than Sadduccees. You might also recall that Pharisees were Jews as were Sadduccees............shades of religious opinion can lead to schism but it took 70 years for Christians to be ejected from synagogues and the first 13 leaders of the Christian Sect were Jews............you might like to read Letter to The Galatians Posted by: Voyager at November 9, 2006 2:20 AM @ ummahnewslinks I put your service on the blogroll of Nebeldeutsch | Dhimmideutsch | Verkehrt herum Posted by: FreeSpeech at November 9, 2006 4:30 AM Yet more evidence the islam means peace... http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20725609-662,00.html Posted by: savitch at November 9, 2006 4:55 AM the ideology of "Judaism" which began with the Pharisees, and continues today, is nothing less that a program for enslavement of the world yes that is an old theme but you have managed to get true insight and are keeper of the deeper truth...........do you inhale or inject ? Posted by: Voyager at November 9, 2006 8:02 AM More evidence multiculturalism i.e Muslim infiltration is bad for your wives, sisters and daughters. Great work from Sir Henry Morgan http://gandalf-reconquista.blogspot.com/ Posted by: km at November 9, 2006 8:12 AM Voyager: I have just e-mailed Robert re: Novy Mir's two posts immediately above, as he/she clearly is an adherent to the "Protocols" conspiracy theory. Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 9, 2006 8:42 AM Novy Mir's posts here definitely exude a flaky Gnostic odor. Posted by: remote_control at November 9, 2006 11:19 AM Bat Ye'or says, "Cultural jihad with its antisemitic, anti-American and anti-Western characteristics develops within the context of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism thus becomes the instrument for the subversion of Western thought..." Unfortunately I don't have enough time right now to respond to this, but... I agree that multiculturalism is used by enemies of the West, both foreign and domestic, to subvert Western values, strength, and purpose. But it is only one of many tools used by these subverters and as such should not in my opinion be singled out as THE instrument. If multiculturalism were THE instrument of subversion then it seems to me that it would be relatively easy to defeat as such. For one can be both stoutly FOR multiculturalism and stoutly AGAINST Muslim participation in it due to its intrinsic theology of supremacism above others. The solution is to everywhere install the American model of multiculturalism. Not the American model since the 1960s but rather the pre-1960s American model of measured, regulated immigration with the expectation of abiding by American law and adopting American principles. "Diversity", though never known by that name, was also part of that pre-1960s model in the form of freedom of religion, freedom of association, etc. And freedom itself is a prime American value. Damn. out of time. to be continued. Posted by: alexon at November 9, 2006 12:10 PM Novy Mir: Identifying an antisemetic bigot such as yourself is not an exercise in political correctness. It's calling a spade a spade. Your "opinions" about a world-wide Jewish conspiracy for domination and distortion of the concept of "the Chosen people" have much in common with the Islamists and politically-inspired antisemites on the left and right than they do with the anti-jihad sentiments espoused by Robert, Hugh et al. Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 9, 2006 1:09 PM Wherever you are Novy Mir I suspect you are orbiting a different plant.................through my travels to the far reaches of the universe on my NASA-sponsored tour to the heliosheath I have passed many planets but certainly not the one you are orbiting Posted by: Voyager at November 9, 2006 3:37 PM Novy Mir, Your confidence surpasses your knowledge and it far surpasses your more speculative proclamations and certitudes. As such you are minimally presumptuous and likely arrogant, and in all probability are anti-Semitic, regardless of the motivations which inform that prejudice. But taking only the most modest of those charges, regarding your knowledge alone and without addressing your more leveraged and speculative claims. To be convincing even in that area, bare minimum you'd need to better support your knowledge claims and then additionally explain your own pov, whether it's informed by religious, social/political, historical, ideological or other a priori claims still, i.e. forward your claims with more transparency. Posted by: Michael_B at November 9, 2006 4:40 PM Novy Mir, "This reality does not justify or necessitate(or imply) a "demonization" of individuals who identify themselves as "Jews"(they are misguided and exploited), what it implies is that those who guide them are corrupt megalomanics." You are obviously a seeker of the greater truth according to yourself. As a non Jew myself, I'm curious as to what your beliefs are of Islam and Muslims? Are they people who are not misguided or exploited, are they the true chosen people as they claim? Does Islam truly possess the Golden Rule, and if so where can it be found in the Quran, or Hadith? Please give all of us here seeking the greater truth some insight, I personally welcome it as I would love to be proven wrong about your religion. Niv Posted by: The fanatic at November 9, 2006 5:38 PM Novy, Ha. You succeeded in avoiding a responsible reply and therein avoiding any accountability. You opted for a display of personal contempt instead - further reflecting the quality of your "argument". Your questions, such as they are, likewise invoke a lazy and boorish lack of accountability. Posted by: Michael_B at November 9, 2006 10:56 PM When will the people of Europe come to accept the fact that the Muslims living amongst us hate us with such venom. This is in fact,an eternal code of hatred moulded into Muslim mind through the Quran and strict Islamic conditioning.As long as there is Islam,there will surely be violence and terrorism done in the name of Islam and under the pretext of "Muslims being oppressed" by non-Muslims. Europe (All the non-Muslim world) is still refusing to acknowledge or believe in the real evil nature of Islam, the Muslim mentality, the Islamic agenda for global conquest and coordination of global Jihadism to achieve their ends. The world is now going through a critical period,a major struggle between aggressive,ruthless Islam and non-Islam's peace loving humanity.The sooner we wake up from our slumber and take necessary action to confront this evil the better otherwise we will not survive in this struggle. As far we can see,sadly enough,the non-Islamic side is totally passive,completely IGNORANT,woefully dis-united,naively complicit in this Islamic onslaught against non-Muslim humanity.Even after 9/11,7/7 and 7/11 attacks and other global Islamic atrocities,many among non-Muslim folks are still repeating their "Islam means peace"mantra.If this deadly non-Muslim ignorance continues,our days as non-Muslims in Europe are numbered... Posted by: faqi at November 10, 2006 12:09 AM The Western Church has tried to use The New Testament as a standalone Bible uncoupled from the God of Abraham and Moses............. Posted by: Voyager True Christians know how important the Old Testament is. It is written that the saints 'sing' the song of Moses} Rev 15:3 There is no way the Christians can 'sing' the song of Moses - if they don't have the Old Testament. The song of Moses is a prophecy and in it - this is written: Exd 15:14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina. [speaking about a time when the 'waters' rage] The 'waters' are peoples nations and tongues} Rev 17:15 Eze 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself. Isa 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. Jer 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said }}} The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; Jer 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. Yes they are - the Holy Scriptures. This prophecy was given thousands of years ago - and here is Palestine for the WHOLE world to see. A Prophecy such as this - one that is setting the whole world on fire - was never mentioned in the Koran. Nor is the name Jerusalem. Jesus was a Jew - born in Israel [a name that is, by the way, found in the Koran] He also sings a song: Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation {dead], spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not Mat 24:21 then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. The Old Testament is VERY important - no matter what any self-professing 'Christian' individual or house claims. If you're fighting for the name Palestine [a name that not even the Koran defends] you can call yourself a Christian till blue in the face and the cows come home - it STILL won't make you a Christian - just because you say you're one. Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. The Jews were commanded to keep the Law - but the Christians were Commanded to 'sing' Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses Posted by: Beth at November 10, 2006 12:35 AM Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. We can kill the trrorists - and keep killing them - but the Koran will only send more. Until allah is taken out - annihilated - the Beheadings, Gang Rape, Cutting off Limbs, Crucifixions, Treason and deception will continue. Only the God of the Bible can destroy the god of Islam. Unless "the people of the book" unite and the pride of the athiests steps aside - all of us are surely going to reap what is being sown in the mosques. Posted by: Beth at November 10, 2006 12:46 AM Novy Mir Lev 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD {{{there's a lot of that being done in the name of Christianity - especially by those who claim Christianity is violent - when they can't even produce one single NT Scripture that teaches humans to be violent with each other], he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death. ["shall be" - key words] Psa 118:22 The Stone [also called The Word] which the builders refused is become the head Stone of the corner. Kinda changes the meaning of the word 'Stone' - wouldn't ya say? Jer 51:57 And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall {key word] sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts. Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. Those who take lives that they did not give - nor can give back - prove only one thing: They don't fear God. God already ordained that all men must die. All go to the grave - eventually. [Woe unto those who think themselves worthy of filling them] Hbr 10:30 For we know Him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto Me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. Posted by: Beth at November 10, 2006 1:15 AM Novy Mir: You are no "independent". You are merely a bigot, who, like your Islmamist alter-egos, has an irrational hate-on for the Jews, invoking the typical antisemetic cannards about global domination by knowing corrupters of the word of God. Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 10, 2006 8:36 AM "But [multiculturalism] is only one of many tools used by these subverters and as such should not in my opinion be singled out as THE instrument. "If multiculturalism were THE instrument of subversion then it seems to me that it would be relatively easy to defeat as such. For one can be both stoutly FOR multiculturalism and stoutly AGAINST Muslim participation in it due to its intrinsic theology of supremacism above others." alexon Don't misunderstand, I largely agree, but I don't believe Bat Ye'or is using the term "the" in the absolutely exclusive sense you appear to be interpreting this particularly passage. I doubt that she's doing so. Firstly I strongly suspect she's using the multi-culti term in its more ideological/post-modern and "progressivist" sense, not in a general sense which would serve little more than a caution against real xenophobia. Secondly, even allowing she's using the term in the more strictly defined, ideological sense, I also very much doubt she's suggesting it's the sole thing which informs her cautionary advice. Posted by: Michael_B at November 10, 2006 6:53 PM Novy Mir, Not metaphysical and not your "soul," much more simply your argument; and it was no "game," it was a simple, if particularly pointed request for a more transparent argument. "I already have stated I am not trying to "convince" anyone of anything, except that they should SEEK THE TRUTH(is this a fool's errand?). You use alot of words but don't really express much, I have explicitly acknowledged that I am a flawed being-- yet you comprehend me as "arrogant". I sense a case of projection on your part, which I think objective observers would see as well. Passive-aggression comes to mind too." Novy Mir We're all flawed, that's not in doubt. And "seeking the truth" is such a subjective, general phrase that it doesn't serve to indicate much more objectively, which is one of the reasons why I requested a more transparent explanation. The remainder is Psychology 101 lingo and rationale; it serves subjective characterization; I could easily respond in kind and it would prove nothing beyond the fact that I know how to do the same thing. Of the remainder, I thank you for responding to the request for more transparency. It at least reflects the fact you're not anti-Semitic in any overly simplified way, that you see a vastly and hugely complex, conspiratorial framework at work (which at least reflects a more nuanced assessment, if ultimately a reduction and set of positivist assessments that I find far too unsatisfying and too typical of conspiratorial mindsets which originate from those who are more educated, either formally or otherwise). Don't misunderstand, there are certainly kernals of truth and historical fact within your stated views, I'm not claiming you're making it up, whole cloth, in its entirety, as if talking about Martians covertly conspiring to take over the planet. But what you are engaging in is a far too positivist set of claims which, at the very best, should remain within highly speculative and cautionary categories. At worse (I don't pretend to know specifically) they reflect a circular and indeed a circuitous reasoning process which leads you back to your desired end, anti-Semitic or in some other conspiratorial mold. And recall what I previously claimed, together with the caveats: "As such you are minimally presumptuous and likely arrogant, and in all probability are anti-Semitic, regardless of the motivations which inform that prejudice." I stick with that claim, re-emphaszing the caveats and hesitancies. Too, I now know we have little to discuss, our disagreements are far too fundamental to warrant a more serious discussion. That too is why I requested more transparency. Regardless, have a good weekend. Posted by: Michael_B at November 10, 2006 8:17 PM Greetings Newcomers, Welcome to ZionistWatch.org. ZionistWatch is dedicated to bringing public attention to the role that Zionistic theology and ideology plays in the modern world, and to correcting popular misconceptions about the role of Zionism and religion in modern-day conflicts. We hope to alert people of good will to the true nature of the present global conflict. Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 10, 2006 9:57 PM Oh, and Beth, here's something for you: http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres2/SIZERchriszion.pdf And: http://watch.pair.com/brit-israel.html Posted by: Novy Mir No matter what any human who claims to be a Christian says. And here is why: The Sole Supreme Authority and Primary Source for ALL True Christians - is the New Testament. In the New Testament at the important conference that was held in Acts: Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. The Apostles unanimously agreed upon this conclusion: Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Act 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; Act 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you. Did God lie? No documents written by any men who claim to be Christians - have more Authority than the Word of God, Himself. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them {{{all who are in the Body of Christ}Rom 8:9 ...if so be that the Spirit [Word] of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.], saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.{{{For breaking the Old Covenant} Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, 1Jo 2:27 But the anointing [Word of God] which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands Jhn 8:31 If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; Jhn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail It has the power to shut the mouths of kings: Isa 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider. Joe 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. Isa 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. Mat 12:30 He that is not with Me - is against Me {There is no in-between] Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. The Works of Christ teach Peace. The works of Muhammad teach war. [he forgot to mention Palestine - and here is Palestine for all to see] Life or Death - Eternal: Choose. Posted by: Beth at November 11, 2006 4:42 PM Hbr 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by Son [once and for all] But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Posted by: Beth at November 11, 2006 5:07 PM [Hit the wrong button - wrong browser] Hbr 1:14 Are they [the angels] not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? The angels are the ministers. Hbr 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels [not humans] shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just. Posted by: Beth at November 11, 2006 5:09 PM BrownCrusader4Truth Anf to that - I offer this: Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Posted by: Beth at November 11, 2006 7:45 PM Don't know what happened to BrownCrusader4Truth's post...a one that works for causing division between the Jews and Christians {a command of their Koran - which is clearly exposed here: http://palestinename.com/frbiblevkoran.htm I believe it is important to tell - that I am not Jewish - nor, do I know any Jews. I'm Irish, German and French....for those who think such a thing is important....so that it doesn't hinder their ears from hearing the words that come from the mouth. Posted by: Beth at November 11, 2006 10:40 PM Correction: I do know Matthew Mark Luke John Paul James Jude and Marcus - [just a handful among the many] all - Jews - and I love them. I'm grateful to them. Posted by: Beth at November 11, 2006 10:48 PM Novi Mir, The fact that power rest in the hands of a few in this world is nothing new. Conspiracy theory as truth or not, there will always be power brokers. Freedom will not come thru man made governments, power brokers, or any number of manmade mechanizations. We do the best we can. We try our best to influence the spheres we live in. If you don't like it, run for office. Make a legitimate claim to a seat of power. Many do you know. As for Jewish people in power and in fact at the top of all fields in this world, says much for their determined perseverance. Truth is I know many Jewish people who are ordinary, like us "poor" "poor" gentiles. I guess people need a thread to hang onto. But what does a conspiracy theory buy you? ARe you going to act on it? Great! Go for it. Get involve, change the world. Are there some Jewish people who attempt to rule and manipulate grand swaths of power in our land and in the world today? You bet there are! But then so are all the gentiles! If there is a conspiracy it is one of great collaboration on all sides. And corruption exist in all societies, cultures and ethnic backgrounds. One can only live for so long looking for the nugget of gold to blame on an entire race however and I think it speaks more to paranoia, than to every day reality. Yes, there are wicked people of all stripes. So, what is new? And this is not an attack on you. It is just an observation. Lets say you're conspiratorial theories are correct, it still takes two to tango. Another words, the world itself is not full of Jews. There are gentiles who must interface with such dastardly people. In the end, you focus on one people, but do not hold others responsible. As if somehow we're all blinded. I'm very aware of the Federal Reserve System, Paris Club, Trilateral, etc., etc. This is nothing new. The UN, World Bank, World Trade. They're all forms of globalization headed up by those either in power, or those trying to climb into power. Build a business, make a few billion and you too can join the ranks of power brokers. Or, seek the political routed. Most become corrupt and try to monkey with the world after they reach a certain "insider power broker status". Thus you have Soros and company. The Clinton Global Initiative. And of course you have the backdoor deals. You're not bringing anything new to the table which has not been researched or well documented on internet conspiracy theory sites and by well known authors in the past. We will all live under some rule of law, governed, with some corruption at the top and thru out society. And yes, the Media, the PowerBrokers will try to manipulate society even between our own party system. The CFR is a good recognition that leaders of such organizations often share similar responsibilities and simply trade off every four years their responsibility depending upon party Presidential elect. In some instances this is good. Sometimes its a disaster. Yes, a big game is going on. Its the game of RISK. Russian, China, Europe, America, the Middle East, India, South America, Asia. They're all playing the game. We happen to be fortunate to live in America. For all its seeming faults at times, we are blessed. Wars? War can start at the drop of a hat between two dopes having nothing at all to do with some Jewish conspiracy. Often times, it leads to disaster, not just for the poor, but for the very powerbrokers who moved the pawns in the first place. In the end, everyone turns to dust. To worry about a few rich men in backrooms making billions and playing Risk, well... its not worth the time. Because no matter what mankind does, there will always be someone playing the game. It is who we are. It is in our nature. Some of us realize it is all for naught and we try to better our lives and others. That is the best and most worthy cause. There will always be wars, no matter the cause. My faith is teaching me, the Word is teaching me, to worry over such matters is meaningless and trivial. Building upon Psalm 118.... going back a little, verses 8-9, [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes. This has always been true. Even before David, son of Jesse declared it. This nation has been blessed by the Hebrews. It is an undisputed fact. It is also true that Jews, like anyone can turn away from God. And as believers we should follow those who turn from the Lord. Those who seek true discernment know to look and beware. God lays down his wrath upon us all when we reject him. All of us can puff up with knowledge and perceive ourselves wise and wordly. This is when nations fall, people fall. It does not take a conspiracy theory to make it happen, nor a Jew. Posted by: Yeshooroon at November 11, 2006 11:14 PM correction, grr, And as believers we should [NOT] follow those who turn from the Lord. Posted by: Yeshooroon at November 11, 2006 11:15 PM Those who seek true discernment know to look and beware. God lays down his wrath upon us all when we reject him. All of us can puff up with knowledge and perceive ourselves wise and wordly. Posted by: Yeshooroon Your post Yeshooroon, is a compassionate one. This is when nations fall, people fall. It does not take a conspiracy theory to make it happen, nor a Jew. They give the Jews far too much credit - wouldn't you say? *smile* But I will disagree with you on one point - humbly and pasionately with fear - as your friend.... It is true that conspiracies can bring down nations. It's called Treason. Moses was a Hebrew - of the House of God ...and the very first Author of the Word of God. He's the one who delivered the song of Moses - by the Word of God. Muhammad - a lone acusser who calls all of the witnesses of God - accuses Moses - of starting a 'conspriacy' Maybe they're on to something. Ever hear...."Open up mouth and insert foot" ? I have heard of it - and now mine eyes have seen it too. Posted by: Beth at November 12, 2006 12:12 AM I'm sorry - I neglected to point out that the US Constitution does honour the Lord Jesus. This is important to know Yeshooroon. I don't doubt that you know it - but too many others don't. The US Constitution is sealed by the Word of God. The last very Article says: Article VII. Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven {that year signifies only one possible Lord for this Constitution] and of the Independence of the United States of America. Posted by: Beth at November 12, 2006 12:39 AM Independence: freedom from the control, influence, support, aid, or the like, of others. In this case - International The Word of God fits: 2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine [of Christ], receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. It's called Treason. Muhammad is all about Treason. I'm just waiting for the day they drag me into court. I suspect sooner is better - than later. Nevertheless - I will die first - before I ever bow before the one who preaches Beheadings, Gang Rape, Crucifixions, Cutting Off Limbs, and Treason {Grand Theft]. And in the end - I will be able to say - "allah did not make me rich" Posted by: Beth at November 12, 2006 1:02 AM Thank you Bat Ye'or - for your courage and for standing to protect the future of my children...Thank you! Thank you Bat Ye'or! Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. The first death reigned already - from Adam to Moses: Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses. And here is that Witness Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Thank you Robert - not only for the work that you do [which is a only a small part for protecting the future of my children]... but for exposing the Truth about Isalm by the mouth of allah himself, which the charactor of those who do such things can be measured - but, not by this world. Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. I do thank you! Posted by: Beth at November 12, 2006 2:38 AM novy mir [= new world, or new peace] brings up Jacob Schiff, alleging, as has been done before, that he somehow brought about [or helped to bring about] the rise of the bolshevik regime in the former Russian empire. I suggest that novy and his friends read the books of Anthony Sutton on the rise of bolshevism. Sutton also mentions the role of Schiff. Zionism is opposed by Communism, for novy's information. Posted by: Eliyahu at November 12, 2006 9:26 AM novy, you do not clearly state that when Jacob Schiff helped Japan, it was at the time of the Russo-Japanese War of 1903-04. But you say that he "helped the revolution." This could be said about the 1905 Russian revolution which can be seen as a reaction to Russian defeat in the war with Japan. But you seem to be insinuating that he helped the Bolsheviks [yes, I know you don't say it directly]. You say that the Revolution didn't begin in 1917. But what did Schiff have to do with any body of Russian revolutionaries between 1905 and 1917? Maybe he did? But was he helping the Bolsheviks? Sutton wrote that Schiff and other bankers in New York were asked by the Kerensky govt to give financial support and that Schiff and other bankers went to the State Dept and asked if they should give that help. Sutton writes that the State Dept told them not to help Kerensky. This refutes what you are trying to insinuate about Schiff. Apparently, you don't accept Sutton's research and insist on your own half-baked interpretations. As to the power of mass media, everyone understands that, including one Maurice Joly who wrote a pamphlet against Napoleon III [in the 19th century] entitled, Dialogue aux Enfers entre Montesquieu et Machiavel [or some such title]. This pamphlet became the basis for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which seems to be one of your chief sources. The Protocols was a reworking of Joly's pamphlet with Jews inserted as the protagonists and speakers, instead of Machiavelli and Montesquieu. The Protocols was a forgery and plagiarism produced by Tsarist agents. Now, one might say that Zionism benefitted from WW One. This was because Britain wanted Jewish support in the war, and in particular wanted the Russian Jews to support continued Russian participation in the war. In other words, Britain supported Zionism towards the end of the war when British policymakers saw a need to enlist Jewish support. Novy cannot prove a design beforehand on the part of the British [or the Germans, those who most wanted the war] to promote Zionism as a war aim. Nor to promote Communism. If novy wants to see a connection between the Russo-Japanese war and Zionism in World War One, then he may look at the role of Joseph Trumpeldor, a Jewish officer in the Russian army on the Manchurian front who lost an arm in combat for Russia. During WW One, Trumpeldor organized Jews to help the British war effort. The British wouldn't give Jews guns at that point, so Trumpeldor organized the Zion Mule Corps to provide transportation services for the British forces fighting the Ottoman empire. The recruits to the Mule Corps were Jews from Israel deported by the Ottoman empire to Egypt, where the Corps was organized. It seems to me that Trumpeldor's career also contradicts novy's fantasies. The German empire, which greatly desired to get Russia out of the war [in contrast to the British], grasped at the apparent salvation offered by the Bolsheviks. The Germans put Lenin on the sealed train in 1917 and sent him to Russia. I am not aware that Schiff had anything to do with this German decision. Again, novy does not prove any design before the war on the part of Britain or Germany to promote either Zionism or Communism. This discussion can go on. But I will rest for now. Posted by: Eliyahu at November 13, 2006 2:10 AM My answer to novy will be divided into three parts: 1- Why Schiff or any other Jew would have hated or disliked the tsar? 2- How legitimate was tsarist rule, why did the Tsar fail precisely in the midst of WW One? Was the March/February revolution in Russia identical to the November/October revolution [bolshevik putsch]? 3- authorship of the notorious Protocols First number 3. Novy exuded a slight scent of the Protocols all along. Now, with prodding, he admits his interest in that forgery and plagiarism. Novy claims that it is "undeniable fact that authorship [of the Protocols] remains unknown." Maybe unknown to novy. However, there is a fairly large amount of research on the Protocols and who cooked them up. First, Philip Graves, a reporter for the London Times in Constantinople, was assigned by his editor [about 1920] to gather material in support of the Protocols and giving background. The Times at that time supported the authenticity of the Protocols. Graves asked around and a White Russian refugee let him read a copy of Maurice Joly's 19th century pamphlet. Graves noticed the similarities and reported on them at length in the London Times. Since then many books and articles have been published on the Protocols, their link to Joly's booklet, and their authorship. One useful book is that by Norman Cohn, another is by Hadassah Ben-Itto. More recently, an Italian scholar specializing in Russian has published a study on the Protocol, the different versions of the text, including articles published in the newspaper Bessarabets in what used to be called Bessarabia [now Moldova, I believe] in or around 1903. This Italian scholar's work is the most authoritative that I know of on the evolution of the text. See Cesare G De Michelis, The Non-Existent Manuscript... [2004]. De Michelis is professor of Russian literature at the Univ of Rome, and I heard him speak here in Jerusalem. He was introduced by Robert Wistrich, an esteemed historian of Judeophobia [= "antisemitism"]. Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#References Also check the roles of Sergei Nilus and Pavel [Pavoly] Krushevan in cooking up the Protocols. Now to respond to no. 1: Jews in the Russian empire, like my forefathers, were subject to legal inferiority and various discriminatory laws, plus religious bigotry and violent attacks [pogroms], sometimes government-organized [i.e., the Black Hundreds]. In the 19th century, a quota of Jewish boys in Ukraine and Belarus were drafted into the army at the age of 8 or 9. This "Cantonist" system was copied from the Ottoman devshirme [janissary] system, although less oppressive. Some Jews, like Trumpeldor, tried to demonstrate loyalty to the Russian empire, which cost Trumpeldor his arm in the Russo-Japanese war. This is only the tip of the iceberg of info about why Jews might have hated the tsars. Number 2: Russia was an oppressive state with large gaps between rich and poor, peasants left uneducated, imperial ambitions, and unrepresentative govt. Russian combat in World War One was costly in lives and money, thus creating a pre-revolutionary situation. The tsarist regime was overthrown in March/February [old Julian calendar] 1917, without Jacob Schiff's help. The govt that then took power was led by the constitutional democrat, Alexander Kerensky. The latter sought financial aid abroad, including from Schiff and other New York bankers. As said above, the State Dept advised Schiff and others not to offer monetary aid to Kerensky. In its weakened state and no doubt for other reasons too, Kerensky's govt could not resist the Bolshevik putsch. Don't blame Jacob Schiff. However, wouldn't it have been better to have Russia as a republic rather than a Bolshevik state? Posted by: Eliyahu at November 13, 2006 9:13 AM If anyone knows Russian history, they know the incompetence of Nicolas II and his entire family at the time, especially his brother. Plus, Bloody Sunday where the police fired upon the peasants they so willingly turned away from during the colds of winter. Russia had fallen behind most European nations. Their military was sadly underfunded and completely outplanned. He was a fool to lead his nation into battle at the time. The Japanese however lost more soldiers in the war. Yet, they refused to give in. Ring a bell? Sometimes its not who has the best, or who loses the most. The Tzar was lost and an unfit ruler. He practically forced the revolt upon himself. It would've happened sooner or later. As the world had awakened to the BS of autocratic rulers all across Europe, especially the pathetic leadership of Nicolas II. Ahhh, the intrigue... Pyotr Rachkovsky. "Suddenly I asked Gapon, if there was a plan to kill the Tsar when he comes out. Gapon replied: 'Yes, It's true. It was Rutenberg's plan, not mine. I was informed about it much later.'" Rachkovsky was great at tracking down "terrorist" and killing them outside Russia. No wonder they work so well with countries like Iran and Syria today. Except now they support the terrorist regimes. I'm sure thats a jewish conspiracy too. Yep, those darn Jews again. Far be it that a Russian Head of Secret Service to spread propaganda against a Jew. He would not let his honest Russian heart to do so! Oy, Rutenberg, after saving the life of Gapon, a Russian Orthodox who sells him out, they both fled to Europe. Wherein they met of all people - Lenin. But what of Lenin's background? My gosh, he has Jewish blood in those ancestoral genes. He was only baptized Russian Orthodox to please the people, before reshaping Marxism into Leninism and dropping God altogether. And therein is the rub.... Not only did they come against the Jews, but they completely rejected God. When this happens, nations turn into brutal, oppressive regimes. If you want to blame Marx, please do. His ideas, while some have insight, are part of the problem when one looks at individuals as souless commodities. You know. The Russians still have a love affair with the French. And it shows for both countries. Bankrupt morals, bankrupt souls and a bankrupt philosophy of socialist agendas. The problem is not a jewish conspiracy. It is as in any case. Who do you associate with? Jewish or Gentile it does not matter as much as their beliefs, their character and morals. The fixation with whether or not Jewish leaders in finance or war efforts are the only ones playing the game is called - obsessive, compulsive behavior. You ignore all the rest of the players and settle on one entity. What you have not noticed is how nations are also blessed by Jewish leaders. Anyway, it will do little good to debate this. I was interested when I came across such information in the past. But one can only delve so deep to blame one people. There are simply to many people in this world that work together for good or evil. Do you blame Abramoff for the fall of the Republicans in scandals? Or the people who actually took the bribe? Each had a choice. If you do not want to take out a bank loan. Don't do it. That simple. I'd hate to know that some Jew in Europe got one cent. I've been to Russia many times. It was a pit until it opened its doors to the West, oh yes, and Jewish money did flow in as well as Gentile. We poured in millions to help fund the cleaning up and beautifying of old landmarks. What a waste and what a corrupt nation led by a corrupt man. Putin, but hey, I'm sure it's the Jews fault - right? Geesh.... Posted by: Yeshooroon at November 13, 2006 2:04 PM to get back to Jacob Schiff. I have not the least smidgen of a doubt that when Schiff lent money to Japan in 1903, he knew that Russia would lose the war, which would lead to the 1905 revolution, and that suppression of the 1905 revolution would lead to the March 1917 anti-tsarist, relatively democratic-minded revolution, which would lead inexorably to the November [Oktyabr] 1917 Bolshevik putsch, which would lead to establishment of the world's first Communist-governed state on the territory of the former Russian empire. Quite a clever and prophetic fellow, that Jacob Schiff. Almost as clever as our friend, Tovarishch Novy Mir. Posted by: Eliyahu at November 14, 2006 6:44 AM Comments are turned off and archived for this entry.
Here is an address given by Bat Ye'or, the pioneering scholar of dhimmitude, at Paul Gerhardt Church in Munich, Germany, at Christian Solidarity International's 29th Annual Meeting, which was held from November 2 to November 4, 2006.
Ladies and Gentlemen It is for me a great honour to be invited by CSI, an organization that has been so active on so many humanitarian fronts in order to denounce slavery, war crimes and genocide, and to alleviate human suffering. And I am thinking particularly of its struggle on behalf of human rights and dignity in Sudan since 1992, and CSI’s freeing over 80.000 Christian and other Sudanese slaves under the leadership of John Eibner and Gunnar Wielback. The globalization of our world and the policies that have led to large-scale Muslim immigration, adopted by the European Community from 1973, has introduced into Europe conflictual situations and prejudices common in the Muslim world against non-Muslims that have been documented by Orientalists familiar with Islamic theology, law and history. But the politization of history initiated by Edward Said has obfuscated the root causes of Islam’s traditional hostility toward Jews and Christians from the seven century onward. Edward Said was a Christian raised in Egypt and educated in America; he taught English literature at Columbia University. A great admirer of Arafat and a member of the PLO’s top Committee, he endeavored to destroy the whole scientific accumulation of Orientalist knowledge of Islam and replace it with a culture of Western guilt and inferiority toward Muslims victims. The obliteration of the historical truth that he constantly pursued from 1978 – starting with his book Orientalism – as well as his hostility to Israel, has prevented an understanding and the resolution of problems that today assail Europe and challenge its own survival. I will examine the relations between Islam and Christianity, Islam and Judaism, Judaism and Christianity and the tensions created by a Muslim immigration into a European Judeo-Christian civilization. I will speak of those issues in that order. In the relationship between Islam and Christianity, we can examine both the theological and the political levels. The theological pillars of Islam are: the Koran which is Muhammad’s revelation; the Hadiths, a compilation of his acts and sayings which have a theological and normative value; and the early biographies written about him. According to these three sources, Islam sees itself as the primal and sole true religion. Islam is the pure religion of Adam and has preceded all others. The Koran uses biblical names like Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus and others but they represent different people than those in the Bible – and all are considered to have been Muslim prophets who preached Islam. Jesus is also a Muslim prophet called Isa, endowed with a different life; he brought a book: the Gospel, in which he preached Islam. We have, in fact, a Jesus named Isa, a Muslim prophet, and Yeshua, the Jewish Jesus, “born in Bethlehem of Judea” (Matthew 2:1). According to several hadiths, Isa has a mission: at the end of time he will return to destroy Christianity and impose Islam as the sole religion over the whole world. These hadiths, often quoted in sermons, speak of him killing the pig, breaking the cross – which means destroying Christianity – and the hadiths continue: he will suppress the jizya or poll-tax and the booty will be boundless. The suppression of the jizya refers to the suppressions of all religion other than Islam. In the Islamic optic, what is Christianity? Christianity is a falsification of Islam and of the true message of Isa, which is the same as that revealed to Muhammad: Islam. It follows that a good Christian is a Muslim. True Christianity is therefore Islam.
It is for me a great honour to be invited by CSI, an organization that has been so active on so many humanitarian fronts in order to denounce slavery, war crimes and genocide, and to alleviate human suffering. And I am thinking particularly of its struggle on behalf of human rights and dignity in Sudan since 1992, and CSI’s freeing over 80.000 Christian and other Sudanese slaves under the leadership of John Eibner and Gunnar Wielback.
The globalization of our world and the policies that have led to large-scale Muslim immigration, adopted by the European Community from 1973, has introduced into Europe conflictual situations and prejudices common in the Muslim world against non-Muslims that have been documented by Orientalists familiar with Islamic theology, law and history. But the politization of history initiated by Edward Said has obfuscated the root causes of Islam’s traditional hostility toward Jews and Christians from the seven century onward. Edward Said was a Christian raised in Egypt and educated in America; he taught English literature at Columbia University. A great admirer of Arafat and a member of the PLO’s top Committee, he endeavored to destroy the whole scientific accumulation of Orientalist knowledge of Islam and replace it with a culture of Western guilt and inferiority toward Muslims victims. The obliteration of the historical truth that he constantly pursued from 1978 – starting with his book Orientalism – as well as his hostility to Israel, has prevented an understanding and the resolution of problems that today assail Europe and challenge its own survival.
I will examine the relations between Islam and Christianity, Islam and Judaism, Judaism and Christianity and the tensions created by a Muslim immigration into a European Judeo-Christian civilization. I will speak of those issues in that order.
In the relationship between Islam and Christianity, we can examine both the theological and the political levels. The theological pillars of Islam are: the Koran which is Muhammad’s revelation; the Hadiths, a compilation of his acts and sayings which have a theological and normative value; and the early biographies written about him. According to these three sources, Islam sees itself as the primal and sole true religion. Islam is the pure religion of Adam and has preceded all others. The Koran uses biblical names like Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus and others but they represent different people than those in the Bible – and all are considered to have been Muslim prophets who preached Islam. Jesus is also a Muslim prophet called Isa, endowed with a different life; he brought a book: the Gospel, in which he preached Islam. We have, in fact, a Jesus named Isa, a Muslim prophet, and Yeshua, the Jewish Jesus, “born in Bethlehem of Judea” (Matthew 2:1). According to several hadiths, Isa has a mission: at the end of time he will return to destroy Christianity and impose Islam as the sole religion over the whole world. These hadiths, often quoted in sermons, speak of him killing the pig, breaking the cross – which means destroying Christianity – and the hadiths continue: he will suppress the jizya or poll-tax and the booty will be boundless. The suppression of the jizya refers to the suppressions of all religion other than Islam. In the Islamic optic, what is Christianity? Christianity is a falsification of Islam and of the true message of Isa, which is the same as that revealed to Muhammad: Islam. It follows that a good Christian is a Muslim. True Christianity is therefore Islam.
And what about Muslim-Jewish relations? They are more complex but they follow the same pattern. When Muhammad emigrated from Mecca to Medina, he found there large Jewish tribes well organized with their synagogues and scholars. On their festive days they assembled and studied the Bible. Pagan Arabs were jealous and complained that they were illiterate and ignorant and didn’t have a book like the Jews and the Christians. Hence, Muhammad proclaimed himself to be the prophet whom the Jews were awaiting, an Arab prophet sent with a revelation in Arabic given by Gabriel, which was the same as that revealed to the Jews and Christians. The discrepancies between the Koran and the Bible were noticed by the Jews. Muhammad answered by accusing the Jews of hiding the truth and by saying that their Bible was a later falsification of the Islamic revelation given to the Muslim prophets: Abraham, Jacobs, Moses, and all the others. The true Bible was the Koran. Since Jewish objections hampered his predication, Muhammad decided to get rid of the Jews of Medina. Some were expelled and their belongings confiscated and shared among Muhammad and his followers; others – from 600 to 900 males, according to Muslim sources – were beheaded and their wives and children enslaved. This is the origin of Islamic hatred and accusations against Jews. Muhammad’s various decisions against the Jews in Arabia also set the theological jihadic laws against Christians and other non-Muslims. Muslim law gives to Jews and Christians the same legal status. That means that, in Islam, Jews and Christians are treated identically as “the People of the Book” (ahl al-khitab). Christians, whatever their efforts to dissociate themselves from Jews or from Israel, are put into the same category of the Jews by Islamic law. In short: Jews and Christians are left with what? The true Bible is the Koran, the Holy Scriptures of Jews and Christians are just falsifications, and all the biblical figures are Muslim prophets who preached Islam. In practice, what are the consequences? 1) Biblical narrative in the Holy Land is Muslim history, and Jews and Christians had no history there as they came after Islam. Their history and their sacred scriptures are in the Koran. This motivates Muslim opposition to the legitimacy of the State of Israel. The Bible is considered a travesty of Muslim history. 2) Because Judaism and Christianity originate from one unique trunk, which is Islam, these two religions are unrelated. It is false to assert that Christianity unfolded from Judaism. This is why the Islamized Churches in the Muslim world have developed a kind of Marcionism, abandoning the Jewish Jesus in order to link Christianity to the Palestinian Arab Muslim Isa. This trend which originated in the Palestinian and Arab Churches (Sabeel Centre in Bethlehem) is growing in Europe, supported by the antisemitic/anti-Zionist wave created by Palestinianism. Palestinianism is the new European salvific theology created to help the Arabs destroy Israel, but which in fact is eating away at the roots of Christianity. Palestinianism teaches that if justice is granted to the Palestinians, suddenly the global jihad and the persecution of Christians in Muslim lands will disappear. “Justice for the Palestinians” in reality means the elimination of Israel. This elimination will bring peace to the world. Since 1973, this has become a joint Euro-Arab policy. The cultural and media war to delegitimize Israel accredits also the Muslim belief that Jews and, therefore, Christians have no historical roots in the Holy Land. Another consequence of Muslim replacement theology is that when we speak of Judeo-Christian values, we are in fact referring to Muslim values. And when we refer to biblical narratives and figures, or to their iconography, we offend Muslims because they do not fit in the koranic model. Now let us see the political context. Since Muhammad was a prophet, a legislator and a war leader, legislation and politics are united in the service of the religious expansion and domination of Islam. The ultimate goal is to impose Islamic rule over the whole world. In this perspective, Muslim political doctrine divides the world into two eternal enemies: the land of Islam (dar al-Islam) and the land of war (dar al-harb) inhabited by the infidels which must – in the end – be conquered by Islam. Between them no peace is possible, but only temporary truces in case Muslims are too weak to conquer them. This is the doctrine of jihad which is a comprehensive legal system of war based on theology that regulates every aspect of Muslim behaviour toward non-Muslims. Jihad is a religious duty incumbent on Muslims, individually and collectively, and this is preached regularly by imams in sermons worlwide. Jihad covers several fields: military actions, terrorism, abductions, ransoming, enslavement, and armistice conditions, the jihad by the pen – that is to say, propaganda – and the jihad of the hearts, which means corruption. Jihad has been waged for thirteen centuries against non-Muslims and huge geographical areas have been conquered and their population subdued, enslaved, deported or massacred. The non-Muslim population targeted by jihad is given a choice: conversion to Islam or the payment of a ransom to the Muslim authority and recognition of its sovereignty. If they refuse both they will face war. After a land has been conquered and its population accepts to submit and pay a tribute for its security this population becomes a dhimmi people. It is “protected” by a pact of submission, called the dhimma. Protected from what? From the jihad onslaught. Non-Muslims dhimmis are protected only as long as they pay the tribute, which is a poll-tax, and submit to oppressive and discriminatory shari’a regulations. Islamic law covers the rights and obligations of dhimmis in great details. This has been the subject of my research. I call dhimmitude the Islamic system of governing the non-Muslim peoples subjected by jihad. This system is linked to jihad and like jihad it is a theological, political and legal institution. Dhimmitude is, in fact, the peaceful continuation of jihad because it is dhimmitude that destroyed the massive non-Muslim majorities that were conquered. It is my opinion that we are now living in a period of reactivated jihad and dhimmitude. Those of you who have laboured in South Sudan and Darfur and have seen the atrocities there will recognize these legal tactics of jihad described in my books or in any Muslim texts on jihad. What is happening in Iraq evokes the events in the 8th century described in Mesopotamia by the Christian Syriac cleric Pseudo-Dyonisos of Tell Mahre, quoted in my study on The Decline of Eastern Christianity which is available here in a German edition. These events are confirmed at that same period by Armenian chronicles and by Egyptian priests describing Muslim internal feuds and atrocities in Egypt against dhimmis, or by Jews in Palestine, and with the passing centuries the chronicle of the Jacobite Patriarch of Antioche (in Syria), Michael the Syrian, that covers a period till the end of the 12 century. We have countless accounts on the devastation by the Arabs and Turks in Anatolia, in the Balkans, and all along the European Mediterranean coasts and islands. Today, as in the past, jihadist terror is waged not only against Israel, Judaism, but also against the West, that is Christianity. Beheading the enemies of Islam, like the prophet did when he set a sacred model by beheading the Jews who refused to convert – was repeatedly done by jihadists during all the jihad conquests of Christian lands. Abducting infidels for ransom fills up countless historical accounts. Suppressing by terror all criticism by infidels of the Muslim religion or policy is mandated in the land of dhimmitude. Jihad and dhimmitude are the two forces that have eliminated the indigenous non-Muslim populations from their Islamized homeland. Jihad today is displayed in all its traditional manifestations: military and economic warfare, terror, abductions, corruption for the control of the Western media, the universities and public opinion. Dhimmitude is applied now against non Muslims – mainly Christians – in most Muslim countries. Shari’a laws or laws inspired by shari’a discriminate against non-Muslims, mainly Christians, the Jews having fled or been expelled. Now it is the Christians – in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and elsewhere – who are leaving because in Islam anti-Jewish hate is always connected to anti-Christian hate and vice-versa as it grows from the same source. Hence, anti-Zionist European policies adopted in order to protect Europe and local Christians from Islamism is useless. Why have we regressed to a situation all too common throughout history till the 19th century and in some countries, the 20th? It is my opinion that 1973 was the fatidic date when political decisions were made that would lead Europe along the path to dhimmitude. It was the period – after the Kippur War – when European independent states, threatened with PLO terrorism and an Arab oil boycott, accepted to submit and adapt their foreign policies to Arab and Palestinian political demands. This is when the European Palestinian appeasement policy began. Europe helped spread the new death cult: Palestinianism, which is the sacralisation and legitimisation of the jihad against Israel. For decades Europeans have been conditioned by Euro-Arab Palestinian propaganda and Israel’s demonisation. To achieve this end a whole culture of denial of historic jihad and dhimmitude has been conceived and propagated throughout Europe. The responsibility for terror and war was deliberately shifted from the jihad ideology to Israel’s right of existence. Palestinianism is just the modern continuation against the Jews of the jihad onslaught waged against Christianity for over a millennium. By justifying the Palestinian jihad against Israel, Europe entered into a suicidal dynamic. The repudiation of Israel’s historical legitimacy and its replacement by a jihadist world order with its own Islamic conception of justice denies Europe’s own sovereignty and legitimacy. In the Islamic context, Palestinians incarnate jihadist ideology against infidels and Muslim replacement theology; whereas, in fact, Israel represents the liberation of the Jewish people from the yoke of dhimmitude. For decades the European Union has provided the Palestinians with the intellectual, cultural and media ammunitions against Israel. It was Arafat, the subsidised “mignon” of Europe, who invented modern international terrorism – including air piracy against Israel in 1968 – and created a culture of hate and a policy of chaos since September 2000 that have now become global. Europe’s alliance with the Palestinians and the Arab world against Israel and America was based on its own denial of jihad ideology. Because of this denial Europe encourage a large-scale Muslim immigration for economic and strategic interests. This is why Europe is today deeply submerged by an anti-American and anti-Zionist culture. For Christians, Israel is central in this context, because jihad is waged in the name of Islamic replacement theology, whereby Isa replaces Yeshua or Jesus, and the Koran replaces the Gospel. Christians are linked to the Jews by the Bible. If Christians want to break from this bond, they will have to forego the First Testament, including the Ten Commandments, the Prophets, and the Psalms and somehow, link the Gospel to the Palestinian Muslim Isa of the Koran. This is the challenge that Christians are facing now. And this is the spiritual meaning of Israel for Christians now: either Christians will resist or they will convert and Europe will become one more Islamized Christian territory. The jihad against Israel is also a war against the Christian world. It is my opinion that Europe has become the new land of dhimmitude and I will explain why. I have described in Eurabia, my last book, the causes that have triggered the dhimmitude of Europe. I will not develop this theme now but I will explain why politically and intellectually we have become dhimmis. We accept to have our life continuously disturbed and threatened by the global jihad. From the moment the European Community, instead of fighting terror, submitted to the Palestinian threats, it lost the control over its own security. European policy with the Palestinians is a total failure because it was deliberately based on false assumptions and the denial that the PLO’s war against Israel was a jihad. Europe gave an unconditional support for Arafat, and paid billions of euros without any control to the Palestinian Authority. The result of European’s unilateral solicitude for the Palestinians has resulted in the election of Hamas, a terrorist jihadist movement. Europeans behave like dhimmis who have to pay tribute money for their security and the development of Muslim economies without even being thanked. Massive Muslim immigration, linked with the 56 Muslim countries weighs heavily on European policy. We have seen it during the Danish Cartoons Affair. According to Islamic law, dhimmis cannot criticise the Prophet or say that Islamic law has a defect without risking death. Hence, the Islamic blasphemy laws – even at the United Nations – have been imposed on us, and particularly on the Western media. The Islamists control the foreign, domestic and security policy of Europe through terror, the ongoing intifadas in France and the policy of chaos in the suburbs, jihadist-martyrdom bombings in Spain and England and persistent threats everywhere. It is such threats that keep the level of anti-Americanism and the hate against Israel so high in Europe. The European policy of symbiosis with the Arab-Muslim world which I have described in Eurabia has set up a vast Euro-Arab demographic, political, economic and cultural zone encompassing immigration and multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is a crucial dimension of the Euro-Arab strategic alliance. Since 1975 the texts of Euro-Arab meetings and of the EU require the establishment of cultural and political Muslim centres in European cities. The problem is that Muslims and Europeans have contradictory views on their common history. Europeans consider jihad a barbarous war causing huge massacres and enslavement, while for Muslims jihad represents a peaceful progression of Islam. Dhimmitude is a dehumanizing system, but for Muslims it is a generous tolerance offered to non-Muslims. In order to accommodate the Muslims and their integration in Europe, European leaders have promoted the Islamic view of history. Therefore, they have justified and lauded the tolerance of dhimmitude, as for instance the Andalusian myth. For this reason, Europeans ignore totally what is jihad and what is dhimmitude. While we are currently living a period of jihad, and while Europeans are already conditioned to dhimmitude, they do not realise it because the historical framework has been obfuscated. Cultural jihad with its antisemitic, anti-American and anti-Western characteristics develops within the context of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism thus becomes the instrument for the subversion of Western thought, aimed at imposing Islamic historical and theological thinking such as the justification of Islamist terrorism – based on the Muslim self-perception of victimhood. The erroneous affirmation that it was Islamic culture that has triggered European civilization in medieval period, is an attempt to prove Islam historical, cultural and demographical legitimacy in Europe, and consequently the implementation of shari’a principles today. It also affirms Islam cultural superiority over the West. To conclude: There has been several interfaith dialogues but with poor results. Europe has paid billions to Muslim countries worldwide but the culture of jihad is flowering in spite of Europe’s appeasement policy. Palestinianism which is a replacement theology was the tool that led to Europe’s Islamisation and dhimmitude. By joining the Muslim jihad against Israel, the Christian West has obfuscated its own history, and now faced with a global jihad it is unable to assess correctly the situation and defend itself. Israel represents the liberation of man from dhimmitude, whereas Palestinianism represents jihad and dhimmitude ideology based on replacement theology. Europe, enslaved by Palestinianism, has chosen servitude instead of freedom. If we want peace to prevail, the Muslim world must abandon the jihadist ideology, it must recognise Jews and Christians as different and not see them as apostate Muslims. And this must start with Muslim recognition of the legitimacy of Israel, because jihad started against the Jews and it can only end with the rehabilitation of the Jews and Israel, which will bring the rehabilitation of all non-Muslims. We can achieve it if we speak the truth, if we teach in our schools and universities jihad and dhimmitude. Then, masses of peaceful Muslims, liberated from the jihadist ideology of hate, will join us to build together peace. But we cannot help them if, ourselves, we are doomed in dhimmitude. Bat Ye’or, born in Egypt, is a pioneer researcher on ‘dhimmitude’ and ‘Eurabia’. Her four major books translated from French into English are: The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians under Islam, (1985); The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude, (1996), German edition: Der Niedergang des Orientalischen Christentums unter dem Islam, (2002); Islam and dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide (2002), and Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis, (2005). German translation in preparation.
In short: Jews and Christians are left with what? The true Bible is the Koran, the Holy Scriptures of Jews and Christians are just falsifications, and all the biblical figures are Muslim prophets who preached Islam. In practice, what are the consequences?
1) Biblical narrative in the Holy Land is Muslim history, and Jews and Christians had no history there as they came after Islam. Their history and their sacred scriptures are in the Koran. This motivates Muslim opposition to the legitimacy of the State of Israel. The Bible is considered a travesty of Muslim history.
2) Because Judaism and Christianity originate from one unique trunk, which is Islam, these two religions are unrelated. It is false to assert that Christianity unfolded from Judaism. This is why the Islamized Churches in the Muslim world have developed a kind of Marcionism, abandoning the Jewish Jesus in order to link Christianity to the Palestinian Arab Muslim Isa. This trend which originated in the Palestinian and Arab Churches (Sabeel Centre in Bethlehem) is growing in Europe, supported by the antisemitic/anti-Zionist wave created by Palestinianism.
Palestinianism is the new European salvific theology created to help the Arabs destroy Israel, but which in fact is eating away at the roots of Christianity. Palestinianism teaches that if justice is granted to the Palestinians, suddenly the global jihad and the persecution of Christians in Muslim lands will disappear. “Justice for the Palestinians” in reality means the elimination of Israel. This elimination will bring peace to the world. Since 1973, this has become a joint Euro-Arab policy. The cultural and media war to delegitimize Israel accredits also the Muslim belief that Jews and, therefore, Christians have no historical roots in the Holy Land. Another consequence of Muslim replacement theology is that when we speak of Judeo-Christian values, we are in fact referring to Muslim values. And when we refer to biblical narratives and figures, or to their iconography, we offend Muslims because they do not fit in the koranic model.
Now let us see the political context. Since Muhammad was a prophet, a legislator and a war leader, legislation and politics are united in the service of the religious expansion and domination of Islam. The ultimate goal is to impose Islamic rule over the whole world. In this perspective, Muslim political doctrine divides the world into two eternal enemies: the land of Islam (dar al-Islam) and the land of war (dar al-harb) inhabited by the infidels which must – in the end – be conquered by Islam. Between them no peace is possible, but only temporary truces in case Muslims are too weak to conquer them. This is the doctrine of jihad which is a comprehensive legal system of war based on theology that regulates every aspect of Muslim behaviour toward non-Muslims. Jihad is a religious duty incumbent on Muslims, individually and collectively, and this is preached regularly by imams in sermons worlwide.
Jihad covers several fields: military actions, terrorism, abductions, ransoming, enslavement, and armistice conditions, the jihad by the pen – that is to say, propaganda – and the jihad of the hearts, which means corruption. Jihad has been waged for thirteen centuries against non-Muslims and huge geographical areas have been conquered and their population subdued, enslaved, deported or massacred. The non-Muslim population targeted by jihad is given a choice: conversion to Islam or the payment of a ransom to the Muslim authority and recognition of its sovereignty. If they refuse both they will face war. After a land has been conquered and its population accepts to submit and pay a tribute for its security this population becomes a dhimmi people. It is “protected” by a pact of submission, called the dhimma. Protected from what? From the jihad onslaught. Non-Muslims dhimmis are protected only as long as they pay the tribute, which is a poll-tax, and submit to oppressive and discriminatory shari’a regulations.
Islamic law covers the rights and obligations of dhimmis in great details. This has been the subject of my research. I call dhimmitude the Islamic system of governing the non-Muslim peoples subjected by jihad. This system is linked to jihad and like jihad it is a theological, political and legal institution. Dhimmitude is, in fact, the peaceful continuation of jihad because it is dhimmitude that destroyed the massive non-Muslim majorities that were conquered.
It is my opinion that we are now living in a period of reactivated jihad and dhimmitude. Those of you who have laboured in South Sudan and Darfur and have seen the atrocities there will recognize these legal tactics of jihad described in my books or in any Muslim texts on jihad. What is happening in Iraq evokes the events in the 8th century described in Mesopotamia by the Christian Syriac cleric Pseudo-Dyonisos of Tell Mahre, quoted in my study on The Decline of Eastern Christianity which is available here in a German edition. These events are confirmed at that same period by Armenian chronicles and by Egyptian priests describing Muslim internal feuds and atrocities in Egypt against dhimmis, or by Jews in Palestine, and with the passing centuries the chronicle of the Jacobite Patriarch of Antioche (in Syria), Michael the Syrian, that covers a period till the end of the 12 century. We have countless accounts on the devastation by the Arabs and Turks in Anatolia, in the Balkans, and all along the European Mediterranean coasts and islands.
Today, as in the past, jihadist terror is waged not only against Israel, Judaism, but also against the West, that is Christianity. Beheading the enemies of Islam, like the prophet did when he set a sacred model by beheading the Jews who refused to convert – was repeatedly done by jihadists during all the jihad conquests of Christian lands. Abducting infidels for ransom fills up countless historical accounts. Suppressing by terror all criticism by infidels of the Muslim religion or policy is mandated in the land of dhimmitude. Jihad and dhimmitude are the two forces that have eliminated the indigenous non-Muslim populations from their Islamized homeland. Jihad today is displayed in all its traditional manifestations: military and economic warfare, terror, abductions, corruption for the control of the Western media, the universities and public opinion.
Dhimmitude is applied now against non Muslims – mainly Christians – in most Muslim countries. Shari’a laws or laws inspired by shari’a discriminate against non-Muslims, mainly Christians, the Jews having fled or been expelled. Now it is the Christians – in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and elsewhere – who are leaving because in Islam anti-Jewish hate is always connected to anti-Christian hate and vice-versa as it grows from the same source. Hence, anti-Zionist European policies adopted in order to protect Europe and local Christians from Islamism is useless.
Why have we regressed to a situation all too common throughout history till the 19th century and in some countries, the 20th? It is my opinion that 1973 was the fatidic date when political decisions were made that would lead Europe along the path to dhimmitude. It was the period – after the Kippur War – when European independent states, threatened with PLO terrorism and an Arab oil boycott, accepted to submit and adapt their foreign policies to Arab and Palestinian political demands. This is when the European Palestinian appeasement policy began. Europe helped spread the new death cult: Palestinianism, which is the sacralisation and legitimisation of the jihad against Israel. For decades Europeans have been conditioned by Euro-Arab Palestinian propaganda and Israel’s demonisation. To achieve this end a whole culture of denial of historic jihad and dhimmitude has been conceived and propagated throughout Europe. The responsibility for terror and war was deliberately shifted from the jihad ideology to Israel’s right of existence. Palestinianism is just the modern continuation against the Jews of the jihad onslaught waged against Christianity for over a millennium.
By justifying the Palestinian jihad against Israel, Europe entered into a suicidal dynamic. The repudiation of Israel’s historical legitimacy and its replacement by a jihadist world order with its own Islamic conception of justice denies Europe’s own sovereignty and legitimacy. In the Islamic context, Palestinians incarnate jihadist ideology against infidels and Muslim replacement theology; whereas, in fact, Israel represents the liberation of the Jewish people from the yoke of dhimmitude. For decades the European Union has provided the Palestinians with the intellectual, cultural and media ammunitions against Israel. It was Arafat, the subsidised “mignon” of Europe, who invented modern international terrorism – including air piracy against Israel in 1968 – and created a culture of hate and a policy of chaos since September 2000 that have now become global. Europe’s alliance with the Palestinians and the Arab world against Israel and America was based on its own denial of jihad ideology. Because of this denial Europe encourage a large-scale Muslim immigration for economic and strategic interests. This is why Europe is today deeply submerged by an anti-American and anti-Zionist culture.
For Christians, Israel is central in this context, because jihad is waged in the name of Islamic replacement theology, whereby Isa replaces Yeshua or Jesus, and the Koran replaces the Gospel. Christians are linked to the Jews by the Bible. If Christians want to break from this bond, they will have to forego the First Testament, including the Ten Commandments, the Prophets, and the Psalms and somehow, link the Gospel to the Palestinian Muslim Isa of the Koran. This is the challenge that Christians are facing now. And this is the spiritual meaning of Israel for Christians now: either Christians will resist or they will convert and Europe will become one more Islamized Christian territory. The jihad against Israel is also a war against the Christian world.
It is my opinion that Europe has become the new land of dhimmitude and I will explain why. I have described in Eurabia, my last book, the causes that have triggered the dhimmitude of Europe. I will not develop this theme now but I will explain why politically and intellectually we have become dhimmis.
We accept to have our life continuously disturbed and threatened by the global jihad. From the moment the European Community, instead of fighting terror, submitted to the Palestinian threats, it lost the control over its own security. European policy with the Palestinians is a total failure because it was deliberately based on false assumptions and the denial that the PLO’s war against Israel was a jihad. Europe gave an unconditional support for Arafat, and paid billions of euros without any control to the Palestinian Authority. The result of European’s unilateral solicitude for the Palestinians has resulted in the election of Hamas, a terrorist jihadist movement. Europeans behave like dhimmis who have to pay tribute money for their security and the development of Muslim economies without even being thanked. Massive Muslim immigration, linked with the 56 Muslim countries weighs heavily on European policy. We have seen it during the Danish Cartoons Affair. According to Islamic law, dhimmis cannot criticise the Prophet or say that Islamic law has a defect without risking death. Hence, the Islamic blasphemy laws – even at the United Nations – have been imposed on us, and particularly on the Western media. The Islamists control the foreign, domestic and security policy of Europe through terror, the ongoing intifadas in France and the policy of chaos in the suburbs, jihadist-martyrdom bombings in Spain and England and persistent threats everywhere. It is such threats that keep the level of anti-Americanism and the hate against Israel so high in Europe.
The European policy of symbiosis with the Arab-Muslim world which I have described in Eurabia has set up a vast Euro-Arab demographic, political, economic and cultural zone encompassing immigration and multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is a crucial dimension of the Euro-Arab strategic alliance. Since 1975 the texts of Euro-Arab meetings and of the EU require the establishment of cultural and political Muslim centres in European cities. The problem is that Muslims and Europeans have contradictory views on their common history. Europeans consider jihad a barbarous war causing huge massacres and enslavement, while for Muslims jihad represents a peaceful progression of Islam. Dhimmitude is a dehumanizing system, but for Muslims it is a generous tolerance offered to non-Muslims. In order to accommodate the Muslims and their integration in Europe, European leaders have promoted the Islamic view of history. Therefore, they have justified and lauded the tolerance of dhimmitude, as for instance the Andalusian myth. For this reason, Europeans ignore totally what is jihad and what is dhimmitude. While we are currently living a period of jihad, and while Europeans are already conditioned to dhimmitude, they do not realise it because the historical framework has been obfuscated.
Cultural jihad with its antisemitic, anti-American and anti-Western characteristics develops within the context of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism thus becomes the instrument for the subversion of Western thought, aimed at imposing Islamic historical and theological thinking such as the justification of Islamist terrorism – based on the Muslim self-perception of victimhood. The erroneous affirmation that it was Islamic culture that has triggered European civilization in medieval period, is an attempt to prove Islam historical, cultural and demographical legitimacy in Europe, and consequently the implementation of shari’a principles today. It also affirms Islam cultural superiority over the West.
To conclude: There has been several interfaith dialogues but with poor results. Europe has paid billions to Muslim countries worldwide but the culture of jihad is flowering in spite of Europe’s appeasement policy. Palestinianism which is a replacement theology was the tool that led to Europe’s Islamisation and dhimmitude. By joining the Muslim jihad against Israel, the Christian West has obfuscated its own history, and now faced with a global jihad it is unable to assess correctly the situation and defend itself. Israel represents the liberation of man from dhimmitude, whereas Palestinianism represents jihad and dhimmitude ideology based on replacement theology. Europe, enslaved by Palestinianism, has chosen servitude instead of freedom. If we want peace to prevail, the Muslim world must abandon the jihadist ideology, it must recognise Jews and Christians as different and not see them as apostate Muslims. And this must start with Muslim recognition of the legitimacy of Israel, because jihad started against the Jews and it can only end with the rehabilitation of the Jews and Israel, which will bring the rehabilitation of all non-Muslims. We can achieve it if we speak the truth, if we teach in our schools and universities jihad and dhimmitude. Then, masses of peaceful Muslims, liberated from the jihadist ideology of hate, will join us to build together peace. But we cannot help them if, ourselves, we are doomed in dhimmitude.
Bat Ye’or, born in Egypt, is a pioneer researcher on ‘dhimmitude’ and ‘Eurabia’. Her four major books translated from French into English are: The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians under Islam, (1985); The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude, (1996), German edition: Der Niedergang des Orientalischen Christentums unter dem Islam, (2002); Islam and dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide (2002), and Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis, (2005). German translation in preparation.
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What a brilliant speech, if only our politicians would listen to this with an open mind.
That's really powerful. Thank you.
I LOVE Bat Ye'or!
A voice crying in the wilderness with such clarity of thought. Despised by the wicked for she exposes the reality of their evil ways: truth drips from her lips.
Bat Ye'or needs to be required reading for All policy makers in the West. I hope she keeps on writing books. She and Robert Spencer should tour together as the Dynamic Duo-opening the eyes of a commatose West.
Just today [11-8-06] the EU foreign policy establishment called the Beyt Hanun incident: "horrifying." The EU never used such strong language against the Arab shooting of rockets at Israeli population centers, particularly S'derot. As far as I recall, the EU never used such strong language against any of the Arab mass murder bombings against Israeli civilians. The EU's hypocrisy is revolting. What the EU said today confirms Bat Yeor's theory.
Multicultural news from Britain today. The Muslim murderers of white school boy Kriss Donald all got life sentences in court today. Kriss was abducted from the street and tortured and murdered (burnt alive at the end) by adult Pakistani Muslim men because he was white: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006520031,00.html
Tsiyona, thanks for reminding me of the rabbinic saying: Those who are merciful to the cruel end up by being cruel to the merciful.
Amazing clarity and insight. I have printed copies of this to insert in my books by Bat Ye'or (which I often lend out) and mailed it out to everyone in my e-address book.
Thank you for posting this.
We who read this site all know this, but precious few other Americans do. In fact, the same process which allowed Europe to fall has already taken place in blue state America.
Believe me, I know, having grown up in Berkeley. That Israel is the root of all evil is the view of most people in the SF Bay Area. Even Jews, such as my own parents, are convinced of this. They give money to Palestinian "charities".
I fear that when we get the full Democratic sweep in 2008, that the Jihad propagandists will have free reign pursue their agendas (above and beyond what they already do) in US schools, universities, in the media, in libraries, and in the political arena.
sonomaca et al,
Looks like with Dhimmi Pelosi as speaker of the house controlling the purse strings, the Islamiscits will have little opposition to invade via Mexico and infiltrate. Israel is in definate danger now...Pelosi comes from the Israel hating capitol of the USA. Us Islamophobes need to get loud, very loud. It's really the only thing we can do now.
Bat Ye'or said:
"[Edward Said]...endeavored to destroy the whole scientific accumulation of Orientalist knowledge of Islam and replace it with a culture of Western guilt and inferiority toward Muslims victims."
This makes it sound like Said alone was "endeavoring" to do this. But Said was merely doing late spadework after all the groundwork had been laid by our own self-hating PC Westerners. Without the latter, Said could not have done what he did, and would not have had the positive reception he had.
We come back to the fundamental point that so many try to ignore: Jesus was a Jew and so was Paul, and what became Christianity is a branch of Judaism drawing on so much of The Old Testament without which The New Testament is meaningless.
The Western Church has tried to use The New Testament as a standalone Bible uncoupled from the God of Abraham and Moses.............Muslims fear this link to the one true God because it exposes their politico-religion as bogus
One other point regarding my disturbing youthful years in Berkeley:
I believe that I have a somewhat unique perspective in that I have inside information about leftist thought and also about how conservatives view the left.
Most conservatives believe that left and right share the same goals, namely freedom and democracy. Well, yes and no. The problem is that left and right do not understand these ideas in the same way.
From the left's perspective, democracy as is practiced traditionally in the US benefits only the powerful and so is, in and of itself, inherently undemocratic. Freedom, likewise, is understood as a mere license to abuse others.
In order to create true freedom and democracy, therefore, it is necessary to ELIMINATE or SEVERELY RESTRICT freedom and democracy as we on the right understand these concepts.
So, what is my point in all of this? Well, if we understand this divergence of thought, we also understand why the left prefers communism or Islamism, for example, to our own political system. These are seen as better able to achieve the left's version of freedom and democracy. The structure, methods, rules, and mores of these other systems are of no consequence. What is important is the end result.
That is why those on the left are able to praise Hezbollah, Hamas, Chavez, Ahmedinijad, and pretty much any other custodian of alternate political systems who purport to speak for those "oppressed" by Western freedom and democracy.
The larger point here is that the left, and again I speak from personal experience here, covertly seeks to destroy the very democracy and freedom they pretend to embrace.
Sonomaca--Your posts remind me of an interesting 1952 book by Jacob L. Talmon titled, "Totalitarian Democracy" in which Talmon looked at the ideas of the French Revolution and Rousseau and posited a collectivist, top-down situation in which people on the Left, believing they know what is best for the masses, "force people to be free" as they define freedom. Since the goal is so worthwhile, any means necessary can be legitimately used--someone or something stands in the way of attaining "freedom"--its gone, because the goal is so worthwhile for "the people"; people who, if they were as highly educated and perceptive as the Leftists, would agree. Those people shortsighted enough to want to go their own way, who object to being "free" must be coerced or eliminated so as not to obstruct progress towards the grand goal.
Exactly Gary.
Regarding Pelosi: if I want the extreme left perspective on any issue, I simply ask my mom what she thinks about it. The far-leftists in Northern California consider Pelosi to be hopelessly CONSERVATIVE and anti-progressive (In their view, Feinstein might as well be Reagan).
Lynn Woolsey, member of Congress from Sonoma County, on the other hand, that's someone that they can work with. I would characterize her as part of the anti-democratic left.
Three resounding cheers for Bat Ye'or, this is a sweeping overview, covering some notable breadth and depth, and well measured and beautifully done throughout.
Again, I am favorably impressed by Bat Ye'or. Her recognition that the de-Judaizing of Jesus found among Islamized churches from the Middle East and now in Europe is similar to ancient Marcionism shows she's done her homework in Christian historical theology. However, she would have been wiser to take a long, hard look at theological liberalism, and it foundations in the higher criticism of the Scriptures.
Although anti-Semitism is often linked to Christian "fundamentalism", the anti-Scriptural theological liberalism of late 19th century and early 20th century Germany had much to do with the "Christian anti-Semitism" so greatly decried in the post-WWII era. Unfortunately, that same criticism of "Christian anti-Semitism", however, failed to cast a critical eye on the biblical critics. After all, you cannot read the first page of the New Testament literally and believe in an Aryan Jesus at the same time.
And, isn't it strange that Christian "fundamentalism" has always thought that the Old Testament needs to be devoutly and respectfully read? The idea that it is somehow a "corruption" that needs to be jettisoned is quite foreign to it.
Yes, indeed. Christianity and Judaism argue over whether the Messiah has come or not; and to do so, they both need to defend themselves from the same book. The fact that all sects of Judaism and Christianity canonize the same books of Moses, Prophetes, and Hagiographa and recognize this collection as the same book has, for me, always made Islamic (and secularist) claims that the Scriptures were falsified ring very, very hollow.
Moral for Christians: don't read your Bible with the enemy's eyes.
EnglishBlondie said:
The Muslim murderers of white school boy Kriss Donald all got life sentences in court today. Kriss was abducted from the street and tortured and murdered (burnt alive at the end) by adult Pakistani Muslim men because he was white
If the 15-year old white school boy who was grabbed off the street, driven to a remote spot, stabbed, and burned alive, had been Muslim, the killers would not have hurt him. They didn't kill him because of his skin color. The news photo shows that the Muslim killers are only a slight shade darker than their victim was. This is not about race, and we shouldn't wear the "racial" goggles strapped on the cowardly media by Islamic culture. The latter produces numerous death threats against any journalist critical of Islam, and every so often Muslims make good on the threats. No wonder people refer to "race" instead of to Islam. And if the thugs don't succeed in silencing critics, then lawsuits and PC laws made by dhimmi politicians will go a long way to shutting them up.
The article says one of the convicted killers will spend 22 years in jail and be released, and the others would be considered for parole after 22 or 23 years. The killers are in their late twenties.
Bat Ye’or has said it all. She now needs to investigate other avenues for a successful outcome for our side. By this I mean what can we actually do?
For exam0ple Eliyahu rightfull complains about the one-sidedness of the EU in their policies and their statements re. the ME. What can a German citizen do except to let Eliyahu know they do now speak for me? Whom can I vote for that won't take this dangerous anad I am afraid to say - antisemitic - tack? The answer is noone.
Orientalism has indeed undermined our democracies.
Ego, other strategies must be developed.
I keep repeating myself.. Israel MUST play the game better from now on. save us from ourselves. Apply to join the EU and encourage Serbia to do the same. I am sure that will trow a huge moneky wrench into the plans of the Arabists and the Islamists.. at least it will slow them down while we regroup and collect our breath.
Israel had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to take down Hezbollah this summer. It would have required full national mobilization, as we now know that Hezbollah is no paper tiger. Clearly, Israel should have also used the opportunity to destroy the Baathist government in Syria.
However, Israel was not ready or willing to do so. As time passes, I can tell you that leftist and media propaganda in the US will gradually wear down American support for Israel. If we get a President Clinton or Edwards, along with a full Democratic House, Israel will find it more and more difficult to defend itself with American support.
Already, we have seen Condi Rice shed tears for the Palestinians. I can tell you that the "realists" now in charge of US foreign and defense policy will eagerly trade Israel in exchange for peace in Iraq and an end to Iranian nukes.
I fear for Israel's long-term prospects, given what is happening here in the US.
Austrian multiculturalism:
"These people are part of our society and not some kind of foreign body.''
Ummah News Links
English Blondie and others...
Here is a link to a picture of one of the defendents entering court, and it shows what he thinks of Western (civilized) Law...
www.expressen.se/ego/c_6/index.jsp?a=746109
Hope I typed that right!
More multiculturalism:
Bridges TV picked up as a free service
Make that:
http://www.expressen.se/ego/c_6/index.jsp?a=746109
On CBC Radio tonight, a host of "As It Happens" referred to the terrorist women's swarming at the mosque in Beyt Hanun as a "woman's protest". The Israeli government spokesman politely but firmly corrected her and described what actually happened.
Yesterday, "As It Happens" interviewed, for at least the second time, one of the women who participated in the "woman's protest". Last night, the woman said a family member had been killed and that her house had been targeted by the IDF because of her participation in the "protest".
Actually, the interviewer prompted her to say this. The interviewer said something like this (in her very sympathetic voice), "Do you believe your home was targeted because you took part in the..." There was a pause, and then the woman said yes. (In her mind, she was thinking, hey, I hadn't thought of that one! Thanks!)
At the end of the interview with this female terrorist, the interviewer promised to speak to her again. The interviewer oozed sympathy the whole time. (Barf.)
Tonight, the interviewer asked the Israeli government representative if, in fact, they had targeted this woman's home. The Israeli representative said he didn't have any information about that.
Is Vladimir Zhirinovsky posting here now under the name of Novy Mir? Not too peaceful or new...
Plain speaking .... like an oasis in the desert.
Bat Ye'or's meticulous analysis is amazing. Her focus on the central role of Palestinianism constraining Europe in dhimmitude is right on.
My feeling is that outside of readers here and similar sites, Europeans and Americans alike have for the most part never even heard of dhimmitude, and Europeans do not even know that they are almost in that status now. Bat Ye'Or asserts that they are already, but I think if they knew what is going on and is about to happen to them shortly with full dhimmitude, the basic human instinct for survival might kick in. If it does not, Europe is not alone in being doomed.
Without freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and with the Leftist EU elites who have sold them out to Islam, Europeans are being taken down the primrose path to ultimate total servitude without their knowledge. They need to understand what dhimmi status will mean for them, their children, and grandchildren. Those who are not completely drugged out, if armed with this knowledge, might very well do a Ukrainian-style revolt and overthrow the elites, the EU, and send the Muzzies home. America has this problem too but at the moment it is not as serious as it is in Europe. The fog of secularism, multiculturalism, etc., have stripped Europeans of their ability to reason between right and wrong. We need to get the word out in every language, in every country. With a press that is totally dhimmi already, underground presses outside the law are needed to pamphletize Europeans and get them informed. This also goes for underground radio, which was important during WWII and the cold war for getting the truth out.
When the Europeans get back in control of their continent, their individual countries, they should offer the Muslims their own dhimmi status with a inversely progressive jizza - higher rates the bigger the family. This will help them opt to leave.
The word was not used at that time. The word meant "Judean" when it was introduced into the Bible relatively recently. It did not signify a "religion" or sect. The dominant sect of religious organization in Judea during Jesus's time were the Pharisees, they were Talmudists.
Well New-World you can drop the Russian bit and try persuade us Jesus was a Baptist.............the Talmud was not written until the decades following the destruction of The Temple in AD 70..............you may recognise that Anno Domini suggests it was after the birth of Christ and since he did not leave us aged 70 it was long before the destruction of The Temple that he died.
Many people do believe the word "Jew" originated from "Judah" but so what, it was a religion ever since God make a Covenant with Moses if not earlier.
I am well aware of The Pharisees and you should recall that the destruction of the Temple destroyed the power base of The Sadduccees.........anyone who believed in Resurrection or Angels was by definition more in line with Pharisees than Sadduccees.
You might also recall that Pharisees were Jews as were Sadduccees............shades of religious opinion can lead to schism but it took 70 years for Christians to be ejected from synagogues and the first 13 leaders of the Christian Sect were Jews............you might like to read Letter to The Galatians
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Yet more evidence the islam means peace...
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20725609-662,00.html
the ideology of "Judaism" which began with the Pharisees, and continues today, is nothing less that a program for enslavement of the world
yes that is an old theme but you have managed to get true insight and are keeper of the deeper truth...........do you inhale or inject ?
More evidence multiculturalism i.e Muslim infiltration is bad for your wives, sisters and daughters.
Great work from Sir Henry Morgan
http://gandalf-reconquista.blogspot.com/
Voyager:
I have just e-mailed Robert re: Novy Mir's two posts immediately above, as he/she clearly is an adherent to the "Protocols" conspiracy theory.
Novy Mir's posts here definitely exude a flaky Gnostic odor.
Bat Ye'or says, "Cultural jihad with its antisemitic, anti-American and anti-Western characteristics develops within the context of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism thus becomes the instrument for the subversion of Western thought..."
Unfortunately I don't have enough time right now to respond to this, but...
I agree that multiculturalism is used by enemies of the West, both foreign and domestic, to subvert Western values, strength, and purpose. But it is only one of many tools used by these subverters and as such should not in my opinion be singled out as THE instrument.
If multiculturalism were THE instrument of subversion then it seems to me that it would be relatively easy to defeat as such. For one can be both stoutly FOR multiculturalism and stoutly AGAINST Muslim participation in it due to its intrinsic theology of supremacism above others.
The solution is to everywhere install the American model of multiculturalism. Not the American model since the 1960s but rather the pre-1960s American model of measured, regulated immigration with the expectation of abiding by American law and adopting American principles. "Diversity", though never known by that name, was also part of that pre-1960s model in the form of freedom of religion, freedom of association, etc. And freedom itself is a prime American value.
Damn. out of time. to be continued.
Novy Mir:
Identifying an antisemetic bigot such as yourself is not an exercise in political correctness. It's calling a spade a spade.
Your "opinions" about a world-wide Jewish conspiracy for domination and distortion of the concept of "the Chosen people" have much in common with the Islamists and politically-inspired antisemites on the left and right than they do with the anti-jihad sentiments espoused by Robert, Hugh et al.
Wherever you are Novy Mir I suspect you are orbiting a different plant.................through my travels to the far reaches of the universe on my NASA-sponsored tour to the heliosheath I have passed many planets but certainly not the one you are orbiting
Novy Mir,
Your confidence surpasses your knowledge and it far surpasses your more speculative proclamations and certitudes. As such you are minimally presumptuous and likely arrogant, and in all probability are anti-Semitic, regardless of the motivations which inform that prejudice.
But taking only the most modest of those charges, regarding your knowledge alone and without addressing your more leveraged and speculative claims. To be convincing even in that area, bare minimum you'd need to better support your knowledge claims and then additionally explain your own pov, whether it's informed by religious, social/political, historical, ideological or other a priori claims still, i.e. forward your claims with more transparency.
Novy Mir, "This reality does not justify or necessitate(or imply) a "demonization" of individuals who identify themselves as "Jews"(they are misguided and exploited), what it implies is that those who guide them are corrupt megalomanics."
You are obviously a seeker of the greater truth according to yourself. As a non Jew myself, I'm curious as to what your beliefs are of Islam and Muslims? Are they people who are not misguided or exploited, are they the true chosen people as they claim? Does Islam truly possess the Golden Rule, and if so where can it be found in the Quran, or Hadith? Please give all of us here seeking the greater truth some insight, I personally welcome it as I would love to be proven wrong about your religion.
Niv
Novy,
Ha. You succeeded in avoiding a responsible reply and therein avoiding any accountability. You opted for a display of personal contempt instead - further reflecting the quality of your "argument". Your questions, such as they are, likewise invoke a lazy and boorish lack of accountability.
When will the people of Europe come to accept the fact that the Muslims living amongst us hate us with such venom. This is in fact,an eternal code of hatred moulded into Muslim mind through the Quran and strict Islamic conditioning.As long as there is Islam,there will surely be violence and terrorism done in the name of Islam and under the pretext of "Muslims being oppressed" by non-Muslims.
Europe (All the non-Muslim world) is still refusing to acknowledge or believe in the real evil nature of Islam, the Muslim mentality, the Islamic agenda for global conquest and coordination of global Jihadism to achieve their ends. The world is now going through a critical period,a major struggle between aggressive,ruthless Islam and non-Islam's peace loving humanity.The sooner we wake up from our slumber and take necessary action to confront this evil the better otherwise we will not survive in this struggle.
As far we can see,sadly enough,the non-Islamic side is totally passive,completely IGNORANT,woefully dis-united,naively complicit in this Islamic onslaught against non-Muslim humanity.Even after 9/11,7/7 and 7/11 attacks and other global Islamic atrocities,many among non-Muslim folks are still repeating their "Islam means peace"mantra.If this deadly non-Muslim ignorance continues,our days as non-Muslims in Europe are numbered...
The Western Church has tried to use The New Testament as a standalone Bible uncoupled from the God of Abraham and Moses.............
Posted by: Voyager
True Christians know how important the Old Testament is.
It is written that the saints 'sing' the song of Moses} Rev 15:3
There is no way the Christians can 'sing' the song of Moses - if they don't have the Old Testament.
The song of Moses is a prophecy and in it - this is written:
Exd 15:14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina. [speaking about a time when the 'waters' rage]
The 'waters' are peoples nations and tongues} Rev 17:15
Eze 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.
Isa 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
Jer 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said }}} The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north
Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
Yes they are - the Holy Scriptures. This prophecy was given thousands of years ago - and here is Palestine for the WHOLE world to see. A Prophecy such as this - one that is setting the whole world on fire - was never mentioned in the Koran. Nor is the name Jerusalem.
Jesus was a Jew - born in Israel [a name that is, by the way, found in the Koran]
He also sings a song:
Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation {dead], spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not
Mat 24:21 then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
The Old Testament is VERY important - no matter what any self-professing 'Christian' individual or house claims.
If you're fighting for the name Palestine [a name that not even the Koran defends] you can call yourself a Christian till blue in the face and the cows come home - it STILL won't make you a Christian - just because you say you're one.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
The Jews were commanded to keep the Law - but the Christians were Commanded to 'sing'
Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses
Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
We can kill the trrorists - and keep killing them - but the Koran will only send more.
Until allah is taken out - annihilated - the Beheadings, Gang Rape, Cutting off Limbs, Crucifixions, Treason and deception will continue.
Only the God of the Bible can destroy the god of Islam.
Unless "the people of the book" unite and the pride of the athiests steps aside - all of us are surely going to reap what is being sown in the mosques.
Novy Mir
Lev 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD {{{there's a lot of that being done in the name of Christianity - especially by those who claim Christianity is violent - when they can't even produce one single NT Scripture that teaches humans to be violent with each other], he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death. ["shall be" - key words]
Psa 118:22 The Stone [also called The Word] which the builders refused is become the head Stone of the corner.
Kinda changes the meaning of the word 'Stone' - wouldn't ya say?
Jer 51:57 And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall {key word] sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Those who take lives that they did not give - nor can give back - prove only one thing:
They don't fear God.
God already ordained that all men must die. All go to the grave - eventually. [Woe unto those who think themselves worthy of filling them]
Hbr 10:30 For we know Him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto Me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
You are no "independent". You are merely a bigot, who, like your Islmamist alter-egos, has an irrational hate-on for the Jews, invoking the typical antisemetic cannards about global domination by knowing corrupters of the word of God.
"But [multiculturalism] is only one of many tools used by these subverters and as such should not in my opinion be singled out as THE instrument.
"If multiculturalism were THE instrument of subversion then it seems to me that it would be relatively easy to defeat as such. For one can be both stoutly FOR multiculturalism and stoutly AGAINST Muslim participation in it due to its intrinsic theology of supremacism above others." alexon
Don't misunderstand, I largely agree, but I don't believe Bat Ye'or is using the term "the" in the absolutely exclusive sense you appear to be interpreting this particularly passage. I doubt that she's doing so. Firstly I strongly suspect she's using the multi-culti term in its more ideological/post-modern and "progressivist" sense, not in a general sense which would serve little more than a caution against real xenophobia. Secondly, even allowing she's using the term in the more strictly defined, ideological sense, I also very much doubt she's suggesting it's the sole thing which informs her cautionary advice.
Not metaphysical and not your "soul," much more simply your argument; and it was no "game," it was a simple, if particularly pointed request for a more transparent argument.
"I already have stated I am not trying to "convince" anyone of anything, except that they should SEEK THE TRUTH(is this a fool's errand?). You use alot of words but don't really express much, I have explicitly acknowledged that I am a flawed being-- yet you comprehend me as "arrogant". I sense a case of projection on your part, which I think objective observers would see as well. Passive-aggression comes to mind too." Novy Mir
We're all flawed, that's not in doubt. And "seeking the truth" is such a subjective, general phrase that it doesn't serve to indicate much more objectively, which is one of the reasons why I requested a more transparent explanation. The remainder is Psychology 101 lingo and rationale; it serves subjective characterization; I could easily respond in kind and it would prove nothing beyond the fact that I know how to do the same thing.
Of the remainder, I thank you for responding to the request for more transparency. It at least reflects the fact you're not anti-Semitic in any overly simplified way, that you see a vastly and hugely complex, conspiratorial framework at work (which at least reflects a more nuanced assessment, if ultimately a reduction and set of positivist assessments that I find far too unsatisfying and too typical of conspiratorial mindsets which originate from those who are more educated, either formally or otherwise).
Don't misunderstand, there are certainly kernals of truth and historical fact within your stated views, I'm not claiming you're making it up, whole cloth, in its entirety, as if talking about Martians covertly conspiring to take over the planet. But what you are engaging in is a far too positivist set of claims which, at the very best, should remain within highly speculative and cautionary categories. At worse (I don't pretend to know specifically) they reflect a circular and indeed a circuitous reasoning process which leads you back to your desired end, anti-Semitic or in some other conspiratorial mold.
And recall what I previously claimed, together with the caveats:
"As such you are minimally presumptuous and likely arrogant, and in all probability are anti-Semitic, regardless of the motivations which inform that prejudice."
I stick with that claim, re-emphaszing the caveats and hesitancies.
Too, I now know we have little to discuss, our disagreements are far too fundamental to warrant a more serious discussion. That too is why I requested more transparency.
Regardless, have a good weekend.
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Oh, and Beth, here's something for you: http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres2/SIZERchriszion.pdf And: http://watch.pair.com/brit-israel.html
Posted by: Novy Mir
No matter what any human who claims to be a Christian says. And here is why:
The Sole Supreme Authority and Primary Source for ALL True Christians - is the New Testament.
In the New Testament at the important conference that was held in Acts:
Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
The Apostles unanimously agreed upon this conclusion:
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Act 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
Act 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
Did God lie?
No documents written by any men who claim to be Christians - have more Authority than the Word of God, Himself.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them {{{all who are in the Body of Christ}Rom 8:9 ...if so be that the Spirit [Word] of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.], saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.{{{For breaking the Old Covenant} Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake,
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing [Word of God] which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
Jhn 8:31 If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Jhn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail
It has the power to shut the mouths of kings:
Isa 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
Joe 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head
Mat 12:30 He that is not with Me - is against Me {There is no in-between]
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
The Works of Christ teach Peace.
The works of Muhammad teach war. [he forgot to mention Palestine - and here is Palestine for all to see]
Life or Death - Eternal: Choose.
Hbr 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by Son [once and for all]
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
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Hbr 1:14 Are they [the angels] not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
The angels are the ministers.
Hbr 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels [not humans] shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just.
BrownCrusader4Truth
Anf to that - I offer this:
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Don't know what happened to BrownCrusader4Truth's post...a one that works for causing division between the Jews and Christians {a command of their Koran - which is clearly exposed here: http://palestinename.com/frbiblevkoran.htm
I believe it is important to tell - that I am not Jewish - nor, do I know any Jews.
I'm Irish, German and French....for those who think such a thing is important....so that it doesn't hinder their ears from hearing the words that come from the mouth.
Correction:
I do know Matthew Mark Luke John Paul James Jude and Marcus - [just a handful among the many] all - Jews - and I love them.
I'm grateful to them.
Novi Mir,
The fact that power rest in the hands of a few in this world is nothing new. Conspiracy theory as truth or not, there will always be power brokers.
Freedom will not come thru man made governments, power brokers, or any number of manmade mechanizations.
We do the best we can. We try our best to influence the spheres we live in. If you don't like it, run for office. Make a legitimate claim to a seat of power. Many do you know.
As for Jewish people in power and in fact at the top of all fields in this world, says much for their determined perseverance. Truth is I know many Jewish people who are ordinary, like us "poor" "poor" gentiles.
I guess people need a thread to hang onto. But what does a conspiracy theory buy you? ARe you going to act on it? Great! Go for it. Get involve, change the world.
Are there some Jewish people who attempt to rule and manipulate grand swaths of power in our land and in the world today? You bet there are!
But then so are all the gentiles! If there is a conspiracy it is one of great collaboration on all sides. And corruption exist in all societies, cultures and ethnic backgrounds.
One can only live for so long looking for the nugget of gold to blame on an entire race however and I think it speaks more to paranoia, than to every day reality.
Yes, there are wicked people of all stripes. So, what is new? And this is not an attack on you. It is just an observation. Lets say you're conspiratorial theories are correct, it still takes two to tango. Another words, the world itself is not full of Jews. There are gentiles who must interface with such dastardly people.
In the end, you focus on one people, but do not hold others responsible. As if somehow we're all blinded.
I'm very aware of the Federal Reserve System, Paris Club, Trilateral, etc., etc. This is nothing new. The UN, World Bank, World Trade. They're all forms of globalization headed up by those either in power, or those trying to climb into power.
Build a business, make a few billion and you too can join the ranks of power brokers. Or, seek the political routed. Most become corrupt and try to monkey with the world after they reach a certain "insider power broker status". Thus you have Soros and company. The Clinton Global Initiative. And of course you have the backdoor deals.
You're not bringing anything new to the table which has not been researched or well documented on internet conspiracy theory sites and by well known authors in the past. We will all live under some rule of law, governed, with some corruption at the top and thru out society. And yes, the Media, the PowerBrokers will try to manipulate society even between our own party system. The CFR is a good recognition that leaders of such organizations often share similar responsibilities and simply trade off every four years their responsibility depending upon party Presidential elect. In some instances this is good. Sometimes its a disaster.
Yes, a big game is going on. Its the game of RISK. Russian, China, Europe, America, the Middle East, India, South America, Asia. They're all playing the game. We happen to be fortunate to live in America. For all its seeming faults at times, we are blessed.
Wars? War can start at the drop of a hat between two dopes having nothing at all to do with some Jewish conspiracy.
Often times, it leads to disaster, not just for the poor, but for the very powerbrokers who moved the pawns in the first place.
In the end, everyone turns to dust. To worry about a few rich men in backrooms making billions and playing Risk, well... its not worth the time. Because no matter what mankind does, there will always be someone playing the game. It is who we are. It is in our nature.
Some of us realize it is all for naught and we try to better our lives and others. That is the best and most worthy cause. There will always be wars, no matter the cause.
My faith is teaching me, the Word is teaching me, to worry over such matters is meaningless and trivial.
Building upon Psalm 118.... going back a little, verses 8-9, [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.
This has always been true. Even before David, son of Jesse declared it.
This nation has been blessed by the Hebrews. It is an undisputed fact. It is also true that Jews, like anyone can turn away from God. And as believers we should follow those who turn from the Lord. Those who seek true discernment know to look and beware. God lays down his wrath upon us all when we reject him. All of us can puff up with knowledge and perceive ourselves wise and wordly.
This is when nations fall, people fall. It does not take a conspiracy theory to make it happen, nor a Jew.
correction, grr,
And as believers we should [NOT] follow those who turn from the Lord.
Those who seek true discernment know to look and beware. God lays down his wrath upon us all when we reject him. All of us can puff up with knowledge and perceive ourselves wise and wordly.
Posted by: Yeshooroon
Your post Yeshooroon, is a compassionate one.
They give the Jews far too much credit - wouldn't you say? *smile*
But I will disagree with you on one point - humbly and pasionately with fear - as your friend....
It is true that conspiracies can bring down nations. It's called Treason.
Moses was a Hebrew - of the House of God ...and the very first Author of the Word of God.
He's the one who delivered the song of Moses - by the Word of God.
Muhammad - a lone acusser who calls all of the witnesses of God - accuses Moses - of starting a 'conspriacy'
Maybe they're on to something.
Ever hear...."Open up mouth and insert foot" ?
I have heard of it - and now mine eyes have seen it too.
I'm sorry - I neglected to point out that the US Constitution does honour the Lord Jesus.
This is important to know Yeshooroon. I don't doubt that you know it - but too many others don't.
The US Constitution is sealed by the Word of God.
The last very Article says:
Article VII.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven {that year signifies only one possible Lord for this Constitution] and of the Independence of the United States of America.
Independence:
freedom from the control, influence, support, aid, or the like, of others.
In this case - International
The Word of God fits:
2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine [of Christ], receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
It's called Treason.
Muhammad is all about Treason.
I'm just waiting for the day they drag me into court. I suspect sooner is better - than later.
Nevertheless - I will die first - before I ever bow before the one who preaches Beheadings, Gang Rape, Crucifixions, Cutting Off Limbs, and Treason {Grand Theft].
And in the end - I will be able to say - "allah did not make me rich"
Thank you Bat Ye'or - for your courage and for standing to protect the future of my children...Thank you!
Thank you Bat Ye'or!
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The first death reigned already - from Adam to Moses:
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses.
And here is that Witness
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Thank you Robert - not only for the work that you do [which is a only a small part for protecting the future of my children]...
but for exposing the Truth about Isalm by the mouth of allah himself, which the charactor of those who do such things can be measured - but, not by this world.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
I do thank you!
novy mir [= new world, or new peace] brings up Jacob Schiff, alleging, as has been done before, that he somehow brought about [or helped to bring about] the rise of the bolshevik regime in the former Russian empire. I suggest that novy and his friends read the books of Anthony Sutton on the rise of bolshevism. Sutton also mentions the role of Schiff. Zionism is opposed by Communism, for novy's information.
novy, you do not clearly state that when Jacob Schiff helped Japan, it was at the time of the Russo-Japanese War of 1903-04. But you say that he "helped the revolution." This could be said about the 1905 Russian revolution which can be seen as a reaction to Russian defeat in the war with Japan. But you seem to be insinuating that he helped the Bolsheviks [yes, I know you don't say it directly]. You say that the Revolution didn't begin in 1917. But what did Schiff have to do with any body of Russian revolutionaries between 1905 and 1917? Maybe he did? But was he helping the Bolsheviks? Sutton wrote that Schiff and other bankers in New York were asked by the Kerensky govt to give financial support and that Schiff and other bankers went to the State Dept and asked if they should give that help. Sutton writes that the State Dept told them not to help Kerensky. This refutes what you are trying to insinuate about Schiff. Apparently, you don't accept Sutton's research and insist on your own half-baked interpretations. As to the power of mass media, everyone understands that, including one Maurice Joly who wrote a pamphlet against Napoleon III [in the 19th century] entitled, Dialogue aux Enfers entre Montesquieu et Machiavel [or some such title]. This pamphlet became the basis for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which seems to be one of your chief sources. The Protocols was a reworking of Joly's pamphlet with Jews inserted as the protagonists and speakers, instead of Machiavelli and Montesquieu. The Protocols was a forgery and plagiarism produced by Tsarist agents. Now, one might say that Zionism benefitted from WW One. This was because Britain wanted Jewish support in the war, and in particular wanted the Russian Jews to support continued Russian participation in the war. In other words, Britain supported Zionism towards the end of the war when British policymakers saw a need to enlist Jewish support. Novy cannot prove a design beforehand on the part of the British [or the Germans, those who most wanted the war] to promote Zionism as a war aim. Nor to promote Communism. If novy wants to see a connection between the Russo-Japanese war and Zionism in World War One, then he may look at the role of Joseph Trumpeldor, a Jewish officer in the Russian army on the Manchurian front who lost an arm in combat for Russia. During WW One, Trumpeldor organized Jews to help the British war effort. The British wouldn't give Jews guns at that point, so Trumpeldor organized the Zion Mule Corps to provide transportation services for the British forces fighting the Ottoman empire. The recruits to the Mule Corps were Jews from Israel deported by the Ottoman empire to Egypt, where the Corps was organized. It seems to me that Trumpeldor's career also contradicts novy's fantasies.
The German empire, which greatly desired to get Russia out of the war [in contrast to the British], grasped at the apparent salvation offered by the Bolsheviks. The Germans put Lenin on the sealed train in 1917 and sent him to Russia. I am not aware that Schiff had anything to do with this German decision. Again, novy does not prove any design before the war on the part of Britain or Germany to promote either Zionism or Communism. This discussion can go on. But I will rest for now.
My answer to novy will be divided into three parts: 1- Why Schiff or any other Jew would have hated or disliked the tsar? 2- How legitimate was tsarist rule, why did the Tsar fail precisely in the midst of WW One? Was the March/February revolution in Russia identical to the November/October revolution [bolshevik putsch]? 3- authorship of the notorious Protocols
First number 3. Novy exuded a slight scent of the Protocols all along. Now, with prodding, he admits his interest in that forgery and plagiarism. Novy claims that it is "undeniable fact that authorship [of the Protocols] remains unknown." Maybe unknown to novy. However, there is a fairly large amount of research on the Protocols and who cooked them up. First, Philip Graves, a reporter for the London Times in Constantinople, was assigned by his editor [about 1920] to gather material in support of the Protocols and giving background. The Times at that time supported the authenticity of the Protocols. Graves asked around and a White Russian refugee let him read a copy of Maurice Joly's 19th century pamphlet. Graves noticed the similarities and reported on them at length in the London Times. Since then many books and articles have been published on the Protocols, their link to Joly's booklet, and their authorship. One useful book is that by Norman Cohn, another is by Hadassah Ben-Itto. More recently, an Italian scholar specializing in Russian has published a study on the Protocol, the different versions of the text, including articles published in the newspaper Bessarabets in what used to be called Bessarabia [now Moldova, I believe] in or around 1903. This Italian scholar's work is the most authoritative that I know of on the evolution of the text. See Cesare G De Michelis, The Non-Existent Manuscript... [2004]. De Michelis is professor of Russian literature at the Univ of Rome, and I heard him speak here in Jerusalem. He was introduced by Robert Wistrich, an esteemed historian of Judeophobia [= "antisemitism"]. Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#References Also check the roles of Sergei Nilus and Pavel [Pavoly] Krushevan in cooking up the Protocols.
Now to respond to no. 1: Jews in the Russian empire, like my forefathers, were subject to legal inferiority and various discriminatory laws, plus religious bigotry and violent attacks [pogroms], sometimes government-organized [i.e., the Black Hundreds]. In the 19th century, a quota of Jewish boys in Ukraine and Belarus were drafted into the army at the age of 8 or 9. This "Cantonist" system was copied from the Ottoman devshirme [janissary] system, although less oppressive. Some Jews, like Trumpeldor, tried to demonstrate loyalty to the Russian empire, which cost Trumpeldor his arm in the Russo-Japanese war. This is only the tip of the iceberg of info about why Jews might have hated the tsars.
Number 2: Russia was an oppressive state with large gaps between rich and poor, peasants left uneducated, imperial ambitions, and unrepresentative govt. Russian combat in World War One was costly in lives and money, thus creating a pre-revolutionary situation. The tsarist regime was overthrown in March/February [old Julian calendar] 1917, without Jacob Schiff's help. The govt that then took power was led by the constitutional democrat, Alexander Kerensky. The latter sought financial aid abroad, including from Schiff and other New York bankers. As said above, the State Dept advised Schiff and others not to offer monetary aid to Kerensky. In its weakened state and no doubt for other reasons too, Kerensky's govt could not resist the Bolshevik putsch. Don't blame Jacob Schiff. However, wouldn't it have been better to have Russia as a republic rather than a Bolshevik state?
If anyone knows Russian history, they know the incompetence of Nicolas II and his entire family at the time, especially his brother. Plus, Bloody Sunday where the police fired upon the peasants they so willingly turned away from during the colds of winter. Russia had fallen behind most European nations. Their military was sadly underfunded and completely outplanned. He was a fool to lead his nation into battle at the time.
The Japanese however lost more soldiers in the war. Yet, they refused to give in. Ring a bell? Sometimes its not who has the best, or who loses the most. The Tzar was lost and an unfit ruler. He practically forced the revolt upon himself. It would've happened sooner or later. As the world had awakened to the BS of autocratic rulers all across Europe, especially the pathetic leadership of Nicolas II.
Ahhh, the intrigue... Pyotr Rachkovsky. "Suddenly I asked Gapon, if there was a plan to kill the Tsar when he comes out. Gapon replied: 'Yes, It's true. It was Rutenberg's plan, not mine. I was informed about it much later.'"
Rachkovsky was great at tracking down "terrorist" and killing them outside Russia. No wonder they work so well with countries like Iran and Syria today. Except now they support the terrorist regimes. I'm sure thats a jewish conspiracy too.
Yep, those darn Jews again. Far be it that a Russian Head of Secret Service to spread propaganda against a Jew. He would not let his honest Russian heart to do so!
Oy, Rutenberg, after saving the life of Gapon, a Russian Orthodox who sells him out, they both fled to Europe. Wherein they met of all people - Lenin. But what of Lenin's background? My gosh, he has Jewish blood in those ancestoral genes. He was only baptized Russian Orthodox to please the people, before reshaping Marxism into Leninism and dropping God altogether.
And therein is the rub.... Not only did they come against the Jews, but they completely rejected God.
When this happens, nations turn into brutal, oppressive regimes. If you want to blame Marx, please do. His ideas, while some have insight, are part of the problem when one looks at individuals as souless commodities.
You know. The Russians still have a love affair with the French.
And it shows for both countries. Bankrupt morals, bankrupt souls and a bankrupt philosophy of socialist agendas.
The problem is not a jewish conspiracy. It is as in any case. Who do you associate with? Jewish or Gentile it does not matter as much as their beliefs, their character and morals.
The fixation with whether or not Jewish leaders in finance or war efforts are the only ones playing the game is called - obsessive, compulsive behavior. You ignore all the rest of the players and settle on one entity.
What you have not noticed is how nations are also blessed by Jewish leaders.
Anyway, it will do little good to debate this. I was interested when I came across such information in the past. But one can only delve so deep to blame one people. There are simply to many people in this world that work together for good or evil.
Do you blame Abramoff for the fall of the Republicans in scandals? Or the people who actually took the bribe? Each had a choice.
If you do not want to take out a bank loan. Don't do it. That simple. I'd hate to know that some Jew in Europe got one cent.
I've been to Russia many times. It was a pit until it opened its doors to the West, oh yes, and Jewish money did flow in as well as Gentile. We poured in millions to help fund the cleaning up and beautifying of old landmarks.
What a waste and what a corrupt nation led by a corrupt man. Putin, but hey, I'm sure it's the Jews fault - right?
Geesh....
to get back to Jacob Schiff. I have not the least smidgen of a doubt that when Schiff lent money to Japan in 1903, he knew that Russia would lose the war, which would lead to the 1905 revolution, and that suppression of the 1905 revolution would lead to the March 1917 anti-tsarist, relatively democratic-minded revolution, which would lead inexorably to the November [Oktyabr] 1917 Bolshevik putsch, which would lead to establishment of the world's first Communist-governed state on the territory of the former Russian empire. Quite a clever and prophetic fellow, that Jacob Schiff. Almost as clever as our friend, Tovarishch Novy Mir.
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